rhino update?

Deleted UserOP•8/21/22, 2:46 AM

of course the picture

smitty•8/22/22, 5:17 PM

Hi, just found this site and very interested in getting some kits. Do you have the datasheets for the 86BLF motors? All the ones i can find the 86BLF03 peak torque is 2.1 Nm and the 86BLF04 is 1.05. The product numbering from smallest to largest seems to go 4 3 2 1 6 7, yet your FAQ suggests the 04 is more powerful.

Cpt_Adhesive•8/22/22, 5:19 PM

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Ssmitty Hi, just found this site and very interested in getting some kits. Do you have ...

walmis•8/22/22, 5:40 PM

Hi, here's the full specs:

walmis•8/22/22, 5:41 PM

Keep in mind that most of these specs apply only when motor is spinning, like continuous torque or output power.

Pfhoenix•8/22/22, 5:43 PM

@walmis which motors are in the Rhino?

Pfhoenix•8/22/22, 5:43 PM

38 amp draw is a lot

smitty•8/22/22, 5:43 PM

awesome thanks

walmis•8/22/22, 5:44 PM

57BLF03

Pfhoenix•8/22/22, 5:44 PM

a peak amp draw of 29 amps is still more than a typical breaker for the average bedroom in the US

walmis•8/22/22, 5:44 PM

My controller can drive up to 30A into the motor, but that's not the draw from PSU

Pfhoenix•8/22/22, 5:45 PM

what's the max draw by the PSU?

walmis•8/22/22, 5:45 PM

depends on the voltage, at 20V about 6A

walmis•8/22/22, 5:45 PM

~100-120W

Pfhoenix•8/22/22, 5:45 PM

oh ok

Pfhoenix•8/22/22, 5:46 PM

I'm no electrician, so seeing that peak amp draw made me a little concerned

walmis•8/22/22, 5:49 PM

@smitty981

Pfhoenix•8/22/22, 5:50 PM

cool

Wwalmis 57BLF03

Stoned Kakapo•8/23/22, 2:08 AM

would the 57BLF04 be too much for stick use?

Will3D•8/23/22, 2:22 AM

Hi, just been pointed to this channel. Some really amazing work here, and I'm super excited to read about people's builds.

Will3D•8/23/22, 2:23 AM

I see it is a common question about force, especially with an extension, so sorry to rehash, but I couldn't find reliable answers.

Will3D•8/23/22, 2:24 AM

What is the point of the 4 motor options ? Other than price? Why not just choose the largest motor and reduce force if needed ?

Will3D•8/23/22, 2:25 AM

I have build a 6DOF motion rig and have a Brunner yoke and Brunner pedals. But really want to complete the force peripherals with a joystick/cyclic.

Will3D•8/23/22, 2:26 AM

Recently found a love for DCS, and the P51. My understanding is that can require significant force to move at times. Can we replicate that with the Rhino?

Will3D•8/23/22, 2:34 AM

I also read some people are using different gear ratios. Again, why not use the largest ratio possible, within reason ?

SStoned Kakapo would the 57BLF04 be too much for stick use?

walmis•8/23/22, 5:46 AM

I haven't been able to source that one, and it would be too long for the Rhino

walmis•8/23/22, 5:52 AM

@will3d thanks!
The main differences of parameters for different motor types are: cost, size, weight, torque, heat dissipation. So when building a unit this needs to be taken in consideration. Of course, you can take the biggest motor and tune it down as needed if you're not constrained, but sometimes size can be a constraint.
The Rhino itself is based on the smaller 57BLF03 and after gear reduction it provides up to 9Nm of torque at the stick. So if a more powerful stick is needed (that you would need two hands to pull out of a dive), then go with 86BLF04 and 1:10 reduction, that would generate up to 50Nm of torque

Wwalmis @will3d thanks! The main differences of parameters for different motor types are...

Will3D•8/23/22, 5:58 AM

Thanks for clarification. I did end up reading the Rhino came with the smaller 57BLF motor. I will be using it with an extension, and ideally Mounted below platform, that is why I thought a stronger motor might be needed. Current extension is probably ~400mm

Wwalmis I haven't been able to source that one, and it would be too long for the Rhino �...

Stoned Kakapo•8/23/22, 4:55 PM

understood, thank you for the clarification

WWill3D Thanks for clarification. I did end up reading the Rhino came with the smaller 5...

Stoned Kakapo•8/23/22, 4:57 PM

i dont have my rhino yet, but i do have a 500mm carbon fiber rod as my extension on a modified MS FFB2, and the force works just as well as without the extension. this motor is a lot more powerful i believe so you should be more than fine, if that helps!

WWill3D Thanks for clarification. I did end up reading the Rhino came with the smaller 5...

Stoned Kakapo•8/23/22, 4:58 PM

granted, the force isnt that great even without the extension, but should be an ok-ish reference on how much force you lose (or dont) with an extension that size

SStoned Kakapo i dont have my rhino yet, but i do have a 500mm carbon fiber rod as my extension...

Will3D•8/24/22, 2:18 AM

Ok. I’m not sure it will be the same. You have significant leverage advantage so force will be less.

Will3D•8/24/22, 2:20 AM

Can anyone comment on the status of using aVKB stick? I have one and a Winwing and the VKB is significantly more comfortable and higher-quality. I understand they use a proprietary format though.