Relation Manager with Pivot and ordering on pivot

I have a primary table, which then allows attaching items from the same table with a pivot table, i.e. primary and sub. For setions like, a/b/c. I am using a pivot table and all seems to work, except orderable since it's trying to do it against the primary table.

I can't see away around this, without actually having the pivot as a primary table and dropping pivot function, then on the pivot adding primary and sub relationships to map the ids to titles etc.

Ideas?
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