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RHINO #0670 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0670 Has Shipped!
Fthey were on holidays
Jhttps://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/968208383251460226/1271827390963781797 this channel does exist
AWalmis has been on vacation
IRandom question. Anyone here have TPRs and Skywalkers? Thoughts? I have both and I’m struggling on which I like better. The only big difference I see with Skywalker is removable spring. But even so I leave it off when flying fixed wing.
Aafter having that feature, I don't think I could go back to a set of pedals that I couldn't easily remove the spring
AI swap back and forth and I absolutely love that I can swap fast.
SI agree about the removable spring, however....
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IYeah, I haven't even bothered to put the spring back on LOL. I took it off to fly the Apache and then went back to fixed and never put it back.
ILOL. There is easy way to FFB the Skywalkers too. Guy did it and sent me the item to buy. It already has holes that can be used so literally just need to mount the motor.
AI really want to FFB my Skywalkers, they are super easy to do it to, as their mechanism is right on top, and accessible
IRight. Theres a guy in #
showcase who did it. Just need the pulley, belt, and motor. Just build a stand to hold the motor and the right height and wahla. The pulley connects to holes on top of our skywalker. 
showcase who did it. Just need the pulley, belt, and motor. Just build a stand to hold the motor and the right height and wahla. The pulley connects to holes on top of our skywalker. 
Zgot my notification today that mine was nearing completion. So excited.
ICongrats! I have the DIY and it’s so freaking awesome. Has completely changed my flying. In fact I’ve felt an improvement when landing on the carrier. The feedback is just incredible.
AYup that's where I get my info from too!
HAny way to tell if our rhino base will fully support the coming virpil flanker grip? Shouldn't be that much difference - but a mini-stick is new (and nice).
DDoes anybody out there who flies in DCS or Il2 sturmovik uses ffb joystick in Multi Player servers? I mean can anybody be competitive against real players especially while trying to shoot at an experienced player?
SI'd say that, depending on the plane, you should be at the advantage as you can actually feel what the plane is doing and can react quicker
AI’ve pondered that
AYou’d have an advantage in feeling more of the plane like Sam says, but on the whole I think FFB is likely to put you at a disadvantage in competitive PvP scenarios
ASpring base players can throw their stick around quickly and make full deflections, only limited by the strength of the springs they themselves have chosen
AIf you try throwing your stick around using an FFB base like that, you’ll probably break it quite soon
AChances are it comes down to your exact settings.
If you have heavy stuff, for example, I can see it getting more tiring, and faster.
Relatively light settings? Either equal, or slightly better (because you can feel the effects etc).
Not having feedback can mean you can throw the bird around. It can also mean you throw it into a problematic situation faster
If you have heavy stuff, for example, I can see it getting more tiring, and faster.
Relatively light settings? Either equal, or slightly better (because you can feel the effects etc).
Not having feedback can mean you can throw the bird around. It can also mean you throw it into a problematic situation faster
APersonally I like FFB for the same reason that I mainly do TvE in MP: it’s the additional feel of realism and immersion
AAir quake isn’t fun or immersive to me personally, but if I were to do it I’d tune down the spring strength on my Rhino so I could actually keep up in the “stick deflection race” without having to worry about breaking anything
BI'd say if you are good you will be good, if not, well it's not going magically bring skills.
C100% an advantage if you fly the plane like it's meant to. As in using proper tactics and techniques. You will be able to keep your head outside the cockpit knowing what your plane is doing by feel.
I've found that any maneuver that a non ffb stick has an advantage at is typically a last ditch effort and means you already most likely lost the fight.
I've found that any maneuver that a non ffb stick has an advantage at is typically a last ditch effort and means you already most likely lost the fight.
OThis, the biggest advantage ffb gives you is feeling how your plane is reacting to your flying without having to look at your instrument panel especially in scenarios where you’re at that pre stall speed. I wish there were some non diy rudder ffb options to help with feeling when your aircraft is slipping or skidding.
SWalmis said yes, and he sounded quite keen on it. 
DIn my case i alrrady have bass
Shakers to inform me if i am for example near stall, so if i get it right : the ideal settings
for beeing competitive with ffb stick in M.P. would be to tune it so lightly as to permit fast stick movements but at the same time to feel as much as possible of the effects that ffb can offer. Is that right?
Shakers to inform me if i am for example near stall, so if i get it right : the ideal settings
for beeing competitive with ffb stick in M.P. would be to tune it so lightly as to permit fast stick movements but at the same time to feel as much as possible of the effects that ffb can offer. Is that right?
DWhat is TvE in M.P?
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Pyou get much better feedback from ffb stick on stalls, your fingers being more sensitive than your bum 
LYes it’s true ,the FFB VPForce it’s a game changer in simulation !
DI assume that aerodynamic force feedback via the stick could be useful to develop a feel for max rate of turn airspeed (while watching opponent across the circle), despite no stall shakes in that regime. Looking forward to finding out some day.
AI was thinking about it, is there any reason to FFB pedals if you don't fly warbirds?
CHelos, instantly switch between spring centering or not. Not sure if it's implemented yet or will be in games down the road but force trim
ADCS has helo pedal force trim
HSure. Next to the possibility of force trim, you can have all the same effects (like guns, stall shudder, ETL) like with the stick. Makes it even more immersive if stick and pedals are rumbling the same. My setup is on a moving platform and the engine/rotor vibration e.g. is felt through the whole contraption including my seat.
SA lot of fighters have a pedal shaker stall warning. Would be cool to have that through FFB too
DWarm your hands?
AMine already vibrate for that stuff
HYou mean with a buttkicker kind of device?
Abuilt in winwing haptics
Aobviously not going to be as strong, but trying to decide if its really worth it for me to build it
HObviously that is a matter of personal taste, can't really give you advice on that. All I can say is, that pretty much everyone who built or bought a Rhino is very happy. I am.
Xability to customize stick feel right on fly in software, even not launching any sim is golden and alone worth it
HThat is true
Xinertnia, spring force, damping, stick feels “real” instead of kinda springy feeling
AOh there isn't a question about buying the Rhino, I've already got my invoice for that.
AI'm talking about Pedals only.