Witcher 3 - Performance Difference (heroic vs game mode)

Hello there,
I have the GOG version of witcher 3 (next gen - dx12) running on my steam deck with, i would say, good performance.
Installed the game via Heroic and manually added the dx12 exe to steam. All running fine with "Proton Hotfix"
I now wanted to use the cloud save functionality in Heroic and used the "Add to Steam" button. I understand that instead of launching the game directly, it first starts heroic in no-gui-mode and syncs savegames first. But what I noticed is, that when I start the game this way, the performance is really bad. I cant really get it to run with more than 25 fps (regardless of the settings)
In contrast: my manually added version of the game runs with smooth 40fps (i could get higher, but i capped it to get some more battery life out of it)

Is there a setting so that the game - including the sync of savegames - can be run with the same performance like the manually added one?

Regards!

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 10:46 AM

You can try using heroic bash launcher

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 10:48 AM

But at the same time this difference in performance is weird. I will try to replicate that as well

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 10:57 AM

Heroic in no gui should not use almost no CPU or ram since it has no graphical interface, but maybe some more optimization might be needed

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 12:43 PM

Weird thing is that I cannot see something similar with cyberpunk2077
It it maybe because there are two proton layers running?

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 12:45 PM

I start the manually added one with proton hotfix. The one added through heroic is set to use proton hotfix in heroic but in the steamdeck ui there is no proton version set as heroic does not launch with proton hotfix

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 12:47 PM

And btw gpu and cpu utilization in the performance overlay looks like there is much headroom.

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 1:03 PM

GPU clock is much higher in the manually added one.

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 1:03 PM

This is the one added via heroic

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:37 PM

Hm... Since using heroic, my GTA V (which I run before with Lutris) runs really choppy in the city. (which didn't happen with Lutris)

I didn't tried to redownload / readd all the epic thingys in Lutris again, but can see that other people, who have the steam GTA V version this runs completely fine.

Basically same like @oOoHoCo
My GPU usage is really low, but CPU is always at ~3500mhz.

I always thought it was a GTA V update that made it run bad, but this looks like it's maybe heroics fault.

I had basically locked 60fps in Lutris, now i have 45-55fps in the city, with sometimes really bad frame times. (and no, it's not because of shader cache, believe me)

I think something is going on here. I did post my logs months ago, nobody could help me. so, idk. In my opinion heroic runs worse then steam or Lutris with the same games.

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:39 PM

I also read on Reddit that people's cyberpunk heroic versions run much worse then the steam counterpart

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:39 PM

which is strange imo

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:39 PM

Difference in performance might be because you were not using the exact same dxvk and wine version

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:39 PM

For an exact comparison you would need to use the same tools

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:40 PM

wine version was the same 100%

idk which DXVK version heroic used, in Lutris I always had the latest one 1.10.3 or something.

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:40 PM

Heroic is just an interface that call wine to run the gamenwith the variables, it's should not affect performance

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:41 PM

What heroic does is not different from what lutris does

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:41 PM

I would think the same. But this is by far not the first person to describe worse performance

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:41 PM

there has to be something

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:41 PM

I'm so sure

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:41 PM

Steam has more optimizations because of their own proton fixes

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:41 PM

So it is expected that on steam a game runs better

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:41 PM

I mean a steam game

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:42 PM

ye, what can I say. This is something I experienced. You say no it can't be. And that's it. idk what to say.

Bbrilliant-lime I would think the same. But this is by far not the first person to describe wors...

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:42 PM

Heroic has almost 1 million downloads. I have far more positive feedback about performance than bad ones

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:42 PM

But ofc if you search on Google or whatever for "heroic worse performance" ofc you will find a lot of posts about it because that is what you are looking for

nursing-lime•12/21/22, 4:42 PM

would enabling esync or fsync help here?

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:42 PM

many people just don't care? Or don't know that games could run better? Maybe it's only a steam deck issue? idk

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:43 PM

both are enabled

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:43 PM

I don't know, when I have the time I will debug with the Witcher 3

Mmoderate-tomato But ofc if you search on Google or whatever for "heroic worse performance" ofc y...

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:43 PM

and because I experienced it first hand

Bbrilliant-lime both are enabled

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:43 PM

Maybe disabled them, not all games will benefit from it

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:43 PM

Linux gaming is not like enabling all options is better

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:43 PM

I tried everything, believe me.

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:44 PM

Sometimes even disabling dxvk is better

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:44 PM

I'm not dumb :xdd:

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:44 PM

not with GTA :lul:

moderate-tomato•12/21/22, 4:45 PM

:Thonker:

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:45 PM

I just wanted to say it.
Obviously nobody cares or believes me. :xdd:
so.. i have to live with that

nursing-lime•12/21/22, 4:46 PM

pretty much if I wanted to play TW3, I'd probably just wait for it to go on sale on Steam (tomorrow, perhaps).

nursing-lime•12/21/22, 4:46 PM

the new changes will make the Deck cry when run via Heroic/GOG

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 4:47 PM

I mean I love the concept of heroic. And that i don't need this bad epic client anymore. But the performance is just so strange. yeah. it is what it is

nursing-lime•12/21/22, 4:49 PM

it's great for the small or light games that I happen to get free on EGS/GOG

nursing-lime•12/21/22, 4:49 PM

or on desktop for that matter

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 5:09 PM

I didn’t want to start a discussion about Linux gaming in general

I just noticed that when the „man in the middle“ heroic comes into play there is some weird thing happening with witcher 3. If the solution is to wait until all the things that are in proton hotfix right now comes to a new proton 7 version or a proton 8 and this will fix my issues, it is totally ok. I just thought that I am doing something wrong or that there is a hidden setting or command line flag that I have to set to make it work. I can totally play the manually added version and just launch heroic to get the saved synced.

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 5:10 PM

I thought about waiting for a sale too. But I did not want to buy the game a third time (I own the ps4 and gog versions already) ^^

brilliant-lime•12/21/22, 5:11 PM

But you only can do that because the game is drm free. It doesn't work with epic games unfortunately.

And yeah, you didnt wanted to start a discussion, but its just pretty much the same problem / experience i have. So wanted to share. :YEP:

dangerous-fuchsiaOP•12/21/22, 5:15 PM

Like I said before: this issue does not exist with cyberpunk which sort of uses the same engine. That’s why I was baffled.

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