First Input shaper test on V-Core 3.1 500, looks horrible

Can anybody help me to decipher my resonance test? I know that it looks horrible, but from the graphs shown, what am I supposed to do to make it better? Which issues are present?
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Start with a belt graph so we know whats going on there
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
How do I make that?
sherbs
sherbsโ€ข2y ago
1e3 range means you aren't picking up anything from the adxl
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
What does that mean?
sherbs
sherbsโ€ข2y ago
The range on those plots should be up to 1e4, not 1e3... 1e3 means the adxl is picking up barely any acceleration... Look at some good plots, you'll see what I mean...
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
So how do I get it to be 1e4? Could that have something to do with belt tensioning? Is it the ADXL simply not work?
sherbs
sherbsโ€ข2y ago
I'd look first at your adxl connections and how it's mounted... Something isn't right with it
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Seen this video a couple of times
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
3D Printers & a Whiteboard
YouTube
How to Read and Analyze Input Shaper Graphs Generated by Klipper
This video is supposed to be a brief overview on what the input shaper graphs can tell us. It is the first video of a series of videos which will give a more in depth view on the kinematic system and input shaping in Klipper. As always: feel free to jump to those parts, that help you with your problems: 00:00 Intro 00:57 What we can learn from...
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
And wired exactly as shown in the guide.
sherbs
sherbsโ€ข2y ago
Looks OK physically Not at home or I'd send a typical graph Are your belts tight enough? Grub screws tight? Wondering if there is some backlash that results in the print head not moving as much as it should
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Donโ€™t think the belts are tight enough no, they are quite slack after starting up the machine for the first time and moving the head around. Also the printer is ontop a rolling table, which I found out was a big nono. So I think that I tomorrow will move it down to the floor and do some belt tensioning. If I still have such bad results, or even still bad results, Iโ€™ll write back. Which grub screws should I check? And where are they?
sherbs
sherbsโ€ข2y ago
The grub screws on toothed gear for the x/y motors
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Here is the belt tensioning graph:
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Belts look very loose,try tightening and get the graphs parallel
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Shuld look something like this
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Jesus from facebook told me that the belts should be around 53-62hz on both, that what I did here. In relation to the phone, it say both are at 56hz.. but it is still way off..
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Or is that way too little? 56hz that is
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ I dont tune by phone apps ๐Ÿ˜‚
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
How then? XD I'm very lost atm.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
ADXL tension and rerun little by little Try tightening upper belt only and see where the graph is going
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
My y-axis on the graph also only goes to 175k, but yours goes to 2mil. I saw that when tightening the belts, it goes up. Is it supposed to be much tight?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Try get them equal first then you can play with how tight ๐Ÿ‘ If you run them too tight you will get artifacts
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Also this from facebook is at 2mil and is acceptable.
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
But like mine is at 175k, while so many others are up in the millions
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
You will get there when its close to perfect
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Donโ€™t know if you can see anything from this, but is this way too loose?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Not way but a little Does the belt slap agains the frame when you run Belt_Tension?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
I can see if it does. Doing the test, the belts vibrate a lot though. Don't know if that is how it should be. I have been going around all around the printer with a torque wrench and I found a surprising amount of screws that was quite loose. So I have tightened them as well.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
They will vibrate kinda the point ๐Ÿ‘
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
The grub screws on the motors are totally loose. It's almost running in free gear XD So, I will be tightening these first and foremost and then trying again. How it has even been able to move the head, I donโ€™t understand. Will do lots of testing a tuning tomorrow. Havenโ€™t done a test yet after fixing that problem.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Gogo then buzz it
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Wauw this looks much better after setting the pulleys correctly.. and tightening the grub screws ๐Ÿ˜ฎ How do you think it looks now? Including the belt tension (which I can see can be a little better)
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
I have tensioned the belts to 59hz. Now the the graphs looks like this: Is that better now or too tight?
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
see ^
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Try loosen button and tighten top same amount and see whats happen
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke will do
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Can't get closer than this:
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Input shaper x and y changed a little as well. A little worse.
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Belts got closer to even tension,Id keep trying to get then alike before doing X/Y runs.
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ok, have been trying all day though... It is very sensitive, I must say
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Yeah ๐Ÿ˜‚ If you get boored do a Shaper_Calibrate and fiddle around with something else for a while and come back later if you feel the need ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Lol XD What does that do?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Auto input shaper Puts all the data in your Printer.cfg
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
So it's not the same as this:
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Does it generate the data for printer.cfg tho? Tough it was just for graphs
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Maybe, don't actually. Don't even know how anything of it works XD So when running that command, I will not need to do anything else? Other than ofc. testing at what acceleration it runs the best, by printing something.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Just save config after,it even asks you to so ao
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
It saved this:
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Do I need to uncomment this?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
No What does it say on top? ๐Ÿ˜‚
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
But like, so #*# means it is not commented out or? XD
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Nooo ๐Ÿ‘€
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ok lol So I don't need to do anything after saving the config in the command line ?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Nope,its done deal
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ok cool Do you know the LGX lite and how it works btw?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Nope,using orbiter 2.0
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke fair enough ๐Ÿ™‚ If work on other stuff like pressure advance for example, if continue to work with the belts afterwards, will I have to do that step over?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
If you change speed/acc yes PA is 3min print tho,easy
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
True, but only used as an example here ๐Ÿ™‚
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Ill leave this here and say good luck ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Lol, is that yours? XD Looks pretty amazing Daum, really want mine too look like that..
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
All stock 3.1 500,then i melted all petg parts ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Daum oh no. Hope you had another printer that could print the ABS parts?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
My petg melted during abs printing ๐Ÿ˜‚
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
oh XD That's so unlucky XD Is e-step needed to be calibrated? Can't see it anywhere in the tuning guide.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Dubble check it,RR std config is prob spot on
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Cool Where should the be placed when tightening the belt? I canโ€™t in no way and for some reason get nowhere near them touching and be alike. There is absolutely no logic to it. When tightening when, they will either go up or down and the same with loosing them.. It is totally random and makes no sense to me.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
What?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
I canโ€™t get the yellow one to go down and blue one to go up.. If I for example tighten the blue one, it goes down and the yellow one goes up. If I loosen it it will br other way around. The same if do the same with the yellow one.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Have you checked the height of motor pulleys so they are aligned with the belt? Does your graph still have 2 nice peaks? If you tighten lower = blue it shuld rise,if not it can be too tight already. Are you tightening 1 and loosening the other every time?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Some times, Iโ€™m only loosening or tightening one of them. Is this way too tight?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
it's on the tighter side but shuld not be a problem How is the belt graph looking atm?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Not terrible, but not great either..
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
blue is yikes ๐Ÿค”
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Yep Spent all yesterday as well. No luck either
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
This motor 1:
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
This is motor 2:
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
If you bring X all they way to the front does it hit the stops at the same time both sides?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
It looks like that to me, that it does.
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
you need to turn motors off and push it by hand
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ah The motors off macro does not work.. Itโ€™s still very hard to push and it is not smooth by any means.. does come to the end at the same time though. As far as I can see.
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Give it a good push! Also sounds like you are out of square on the rails making the ratteling noise
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Like the belts are forcing the rails to push on the railblocks You can try loosen the 4 m3 bolts that holds XY joiners to the rails a little push it around by hand and see if its quieter
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
How out of square?
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Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
These on the bottom?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Yes,bring it all the the front,printhead in the middle and loosen them a lille both sides
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
It can also be the middle (on the print head) one that is too tight, right? Or is that some other issue?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Would not make noise when you only moved X then
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
When moving it slowly, it sounds like it comes from the middle tho
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Tried to unscrew them a little, but did nothing...
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Nozzle dragging? Idk what noise that would be
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Not the nozzle dragging
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Moved the bed down
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Try loosen both belts 1/2and see if it get better.
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Most of it is the extruder gears I think... Pressing on them alsmost removes the sound...
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Extruder gears?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
The ones sticking out
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Could you show me via video how tight your belts are?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Soon printing atm
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Awww XD Also on the X gantry. I noticed that the upper belt is beginning to feather at the top of the belt also.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Pulley too low?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
In relation to this picture, the pulley is all the way up here:
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
@chrizzar
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
And how tight is it on the x-axis gantry? Yea, I do think mine is waaaay too tight.. Mine is like a guitar string XD
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Im printing again.. ๐Ÿ‘€
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Haha It's fair enough. I have all day XD
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Loosen both belts 3turns and start over then then go 1/4 at a time until ots getting worse then you loosen 1/8 at a time
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke, I'll try that. I'm starting over completely XD
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Should I not be able to move the print head when clicking this button?
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Yea shuld disable all motor power
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
It does not however.. I can not move it around when they are off.. I have to turn off the machine to do it. Now it looks like this:
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Much more loose than before. Is the opposite belt supposed to resonate when plucked? It does not rattle so much anymore either, after loosening them.
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
What does the number to the left mean? Before it was as 3mil, now it is only 1.2mil
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
How big/powerful the resonance is i think ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ Start tightening them lill by lill but try keep them close
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
ok
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
And? ๐Ÿ‘€
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Have been positioning the pulleys according to the manual all this time XD First begun adjusting now
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Now the x gantry is skew They donโ€™t hit the front at the same time Right have to be pressed up against the stop
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Fix that with the belts then ๐Ÿ‘
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
It moves like this now.. What to do about that?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
This ^
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Looks like binding,did you print all the parts yourself or are they RR?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
They are printed by ffb. Canโ€™t print ABS myself.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
And you are sure pulleys are tight and right height?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
I have tried everything to make them look like this:
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
But no matter what I do, they will always have either teeth at the top or the bottom.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Well you started with this and now it looks worse and is binding so..
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
So this is right:
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
And this is left:
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
That one looks like No ๐Ÿ‘€
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
That looks fucked yea Can only be seen by picture apparentlyโ€ฆ by eyesight and measurements, it should be correct..
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
You sure?
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Yea it is not good right?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
By the picture no
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Much better
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Doing it using my phone XD
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Also much smoother
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
chefkiss to tension graphs then
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Yup and I want to check the left out as well first Might as well do it for both of them, if the left one is skew as well Or not aligned The left one is fine ๐Ÿ˜„
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
You said that about the right one aswell starekekw
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Yup, but checked doing the camera thing It does not rattle so much either anymore
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
No binding = no side loading on rails
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ah okay, I understand ๐Ÿ™‚ Thatโ€™s the left one
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Looks ok,go graph yalla yalla
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Lol looks horrible now when it is aligned XD
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Its not align but pulleys are right height ๐Ÿซฃ tighten blue
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Yup. Yea pulleys are at the right height yes. Nothing had been done to the belts yet after this change. Canโ€™t believe that tightening the belts is the hardest part of the build XD Super annoying. I appreciate all the help from you though ๐Ÿ™‚ Getting better ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Do not screw this up now.. do NOT screw this up now ๐Ÿ™ What do you recommend me to do here?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Run shaper graph and have a look How tights are belts?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
This tight
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Run a shaper graph
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke, doing it now Looks pretty good I think, what about you? ๐Ÿ™‚
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
I would leave it as is Its looking very nice โค๏ธ
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Cool cool OMG Thank you sooo much for all your time used and most of all, all your help and guidance! ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ‘โค๏ธ I really appreciate it ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜„
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Is this the only filament and print settings the superslicer profiles comes with?
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
no shuld be more
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Is this the ones?
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Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
I know my presets are fucked at the moment XD ^
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
yea
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ahh okay cool ๐Ÿ˜„ Guess I should start with 0.20mm NORMAL? About to do pressure advance and such Or does it not matter
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
everything matters when doing PA
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
guess HF means High Flow Which one should I go for then? XD
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Take what ever and get a feel for it. mando
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke One last thing for today (I think XD) How do I enable bed leveling and bed mesh in the slicer? Or is this done automatic before every print?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Have you installed PAM?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Nope, lol Have to figure that one out first then
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Yea you rly want PAM on a 500 ๐Ÿ™‚
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke, else it takes forever
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
mhm
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Do I have to enable SSH firstly on raspberry pi to install the package, or is already enabled by default by the RatOS image? Or is entirely unnecessary to use SSH and I can simply use the command line within RatOS?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
SSH i enabled,and is the way to go
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ok cool cool
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Also just to be sure, is it this that should be enabled, that is explained in this step?
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
What do I do about this though XD?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
IDK xD
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Just had to say yes (because it's the first time) XD
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
@squeegiee Ok so now I have it installed, updated my printer.cfg and updated my moonraker.conf to get updates, as well as added the new start code in superslicer:
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Now what? ๐Ÿ™‚
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Enable variable bed meah
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
@chrizzar ๐Ÿ‘€
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Noice, I will take a look ๐Ÿ˜„ Also to make it actually touch the buildplate, I should use babystep, right? Or am I supposed to align it on the plate perfectly and set the distance to the probe for 1mm?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Also should I set the the upper one to True as well and the lower one to 400? (is that better)
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
As long as the Variable relative extrusion is On or Off in both printer cfg and Slicer its ok. Speed is just cuz why not ๐Ÿ˜… What do you want to touch?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Make the printhead touch the buildplate After what it has to do, it just tries to lay filament down in the air
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Adjust Z with paper first and then tune with print
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
"Adjust Z": With baby step or?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Ofc,you dont want to ruin bed or nozzle
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Wish you luck,bedtime now but baby will be awake in 1-2h so ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿคž
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Okay, thanks a lot for your help ๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ™‚ @squeegiee After running "SHAPER_CALIBRATE", do I need to update my printer.cfg with my results from the test? [printer] kinematics: corexy max_velocity: whatever max_accel: whatever max_accel_to_decel: whatever max_z_velocity: whatever max_z_accel: whatever Also how do I figure out what the velocities should be as well as max_z_accel?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Just save config after,the max_ is determined by your stepper config,do you have cooling on the drivers?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Yup, I have. One 120mm fan
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
And selected the right config for that?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
So I should uncomment this and do nothing else?
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
And outcomment the top 3 lines ofc.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Yes please,its not and ender3 we are playing with
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
lol, nope Just haven't played with klipper or mainsail before, so I know nothing about it XD Only Marlin and Octoprint, but that is simple setup (because there is so many tutorials out there). So basically after that is done, everything should be set up for printing at "high" speed on the server side (not in the slicer yet ofc.). And I don't need to change anything else?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Yea giving steppers some extra juice โค๏ธ
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Cool cool, only need to do skew correction then. Or do I need to do that first?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
No
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Okai, is it something that is worth doing? (never heard of it before)
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Suppose it depends on what you are printing i have not done it myself
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke. Fair.
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
I see, the machine panel has changed
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Noice
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Have you melted any plastic yet? kekw
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
haha nope, I'm running with ABS plastic parts mando ๐Ÿ˜œ Though I did break both of these in the first run of the z-tilt XD
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
So had to reprint them in PLA. So at some point I have to re-print them in ABS again, before adding the panels XD
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Mounted them too low?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Mounted them the same place as is now.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
How did you manage to ruin them then?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
It drove up into them... On the z part of the RatOS, it did also say -5 for some weird reason. Broke them into 2 parts XD So it can apparently not be that skew, when running z-tilt The stepper motors are howling now, can hear they have gotten more POWER! Much faster z-tilt test ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
squeeeak @squeegiee What do I do in SuperSlicer in relation to speed settings? So the newly added power and input shaper actually can be used?.
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Idk use HF as a start and try something
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
It's more like, should this be disabled?
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke ๐Ÿ™‚
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Shuld ๐Ÿ˜ถโ€๐ŸŒซ๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‚ idk prob not as a first go
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
But is it not handled by RatOS? Or is it only used for estimating the print time? in Super Slicer
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
It overrides ratsOS i think,im@not very good with software side of all of this
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke, I'll try out something ๐Ÿ˜„
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
@squeegiee Woaw it is a very capable printer ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Printing at these speeds it prints very well (the quality)! Not sure if it even reach these speeds with 5000 accel though. I can be begin to see some round corner though. Could this be because of pressure advance is not setup for this speed or?
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Im a slicer newb,but id look and see why its not on all corners,different speed? Cooling? Middle is much cleaner then top/bot
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Oki doke, top and bottom of the calicube itself is very smooth though ๐Ÿ™‚ Also the dimensions are spot on (in the middle). @squeegiee Do you know what le5 compared to le4 mean? Added the panels to the printer, so I thought I would do the test again. It changed to le5 however, and I don't know how to interpret that..
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Also the belt tension looks very good now. Only need to tighten the yellow one a little bit.
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
I5 better then I4 ๐Ÿ‘€
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Uhh noice
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Also is the bed leveling system and PAM not supposed to conquer problems like this? :
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
But if I go any higher it looks like this:
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Also looks fine in the other side..
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
It is,try make a post in fix my print. As said before Slicer aint my strong side ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ‘€ But wider and higher first layer to get more squishy in the groves would be my first test. That way you can have a lill higher Z and maybe get by. How is your mesh looking with pam @ that print?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
How do I see that?
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Height map in Ratos.local @chrizzar
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Ah okay, will try that when the print is done (in about 30 mins +-)
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
You can see it while printing ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
oh I can lol
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
How much do you have overall on the bed? That looks like alot
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
That I can first see when the print is done though, right? Yesterday, it was not much.. because of the corner it was like 0.4, but everything else was nice.
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
As said, because of that one corner, it's fcked XD
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Fix that ๐Ÿ‘
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
How though From the making measurement with a laser, it is square all around XD
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Say that to the mesh ๐Ÿ˜‚
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
lol XD How do I make it better though?
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Awww that was the one I used when assembling the printer... Did not do much then XD
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
@squeegiee In relation to the video, do I then need to push the gantry up here?
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Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
At A. Since, we don't want to (or is hard to) move D, where the motor is
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
A up or B down @chrizzar
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
I literally can't get it better than this:
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other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Its heck a lot better then before ๐Ÿฆ–
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
True true
other-emerald
other-emeraldโ€ข2y ago
Melted any plastic yet? ๐Ÿ˜‚
Chrizzar
Chrizzarโ€ข2y ago
Yup, I have ๐Ÿ˜„ But only the stuff that needs to be melted ๐Ÿ˜œ
drops
dropsโ€ข2y ago
This set was your best graph, I understand that the tension wasnt as high as the other person that they posted, but I have yet to get this high. Mine has been hitting 5k/11k, and your 6k/20k is very good for a 500. If you can get back here I think youll be set. If you look at the indiviual x/y the peaks are very very smooth. Seems there was a bit on the y at the end, but ive seen a lot of graphs with bumps in the 100's. I just waited all day trying to get it right and going to keep going tomorrow Also ona Vcore 500, first printer, the quality build also affects the graphs, even a loost nut somewhere. Additionally the smaller the vcore the higher then numbers ive seen. So for a 500 thats excellent
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