PI didn't realise the same number could work with 2 different companies, thanks. Held for customs fleecing 
IRight, but the movement is so small it’s basically impossible to tell in any civil piston aircraft I’ve flown. And very minor in jets with movable stabs. At speed such minor movements make big differences. Maybe it’s different in fighters but I’m guessing it’s overblown.
BStill sound better than a spring stick 
And we all know DCS is flightsim perfection, no bugs always working as intended.
And we all know DCS is flightsim perfection, no bugs always working as intended.
IOh it is for sure
B390 to go...
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PCollected the Rhino directly from the shipping company, at home now with it, looks beautifully made Walmis, look forward to using it now !! Looks like the Eagle will be out shortly, perfect timing
WAwesome! 
TYes, it’s more of a force that is cancelled out. I don’t know how it is simulated with FFB (yet 
) but I imagine it moves the stick the distance that is required to accomplish the simulated control surface deflection. I don’t know if this simulation is realistic. Looking forward to try it out!
) but I imagine it moves the stick the distance that is required to accomplish the simulated control surface deflection. I don’t know if this simulation is realistic. Looking forward to try it out!
RTell us you trained on Diamonds without saying you trained on Diamonds. In everything I’ve ever flown (152,172,172RG,182,Archer,warrior,arrow,Seminole, SNJ-4, DA-20, DHC-8) the trim would displace the controls as it “flew” the tail. Full displacement. I even had training evolutions that involved landing only with elevator trim and rudder. And the yoke displaced exactly as expected. As if a ghost hand was pulling on it. Except for the DA-20. Because it just used spring tension to “trim” not an actual aerodynamic trim. Hands off on the ground it always would sit full nose down stick. You still displaced the stick to a different point given what you wanted your pitch attitude just like any plane. The spring just relieved the fixed nose down tension diamond built into their system.
TI’ve never flown the Diamond. And I’m not sure who you are addressing, but since your post comes after mine, I’ll bite.
Look at what I wrote earlier. 📃general
Trim moves the control surface. That’s what’s happening in most conventional aircraft. But the pilot feels this as if pulling or pushing against a force, that is relieved by trimming. That’s how I fly anyway. I control the stick with my hands, and then trim out the forces.
But the SAAB MFI-15 Safari that I trained on, could loop from elevator trim only… It had a stabilator though.
Look at what I wrote earlier. 📃general
Trim moves the control surface. That’s what’s happening in most conventional aircraft. But the pilot feels this as if pulling or pushing against a force, that is relieved by trimming. That’s how I fly anyway. I control the stick with my hands, and then trim out the forces.
But the SAAB MFI-15 Safari that I trained on, could loop from elevator trim only…
It had a stabilator though.
K@.rustbelt I've never flown a diamond either. In a SG-33 ( my current weekend flyer) the trim sets where the stick holds the cable at. There is no movement at all of the stick when you set the trim, the connection point to the cable changes. It's also kind of a point of view perspective too since on something like a Cessna you are trimming to a certain speed really. The natural push of the rear stabilizer changes with speed and your trim "sets" that speed. You set the trim to keep the stick in the same position while flying at different speeds. So for me I wouldn't want a simulation of a C172 to change the yoke position, I'd want the FFB to move the yoke until I trim it to stop moving. All about perspective I guess.
RIt was to @inpayne it didn’t at correctly.
RIt is perspective because really no matter how you look at it, trim moves the “center” point of the control, or contrarywise moves the neutral to where you are holding the control to the point where hands off doesn’t cause any change in pitch attitude. It’s all inside out vs outside in visualizing the system.
ANot all planes’ trim systems interact the same way with the flight controls
AIs there anyone who’s actually disputing that?
II’ve only flown a diamond once, but I have time in some 30 different types. And never noticed a big difference in stick/yoke position with trim.
M385 to go lol
KI guess the next will be my 
V:package: 
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AYes, probably depends on the control system. For what it's worth, the yoke in a Boeing 737 does move with its electrical trim movement. It moves very slowly, but the entire trim system moves very slowly, and it takes a loooong time to move trim from one end to the other. Other experiences from me are all the 20 or so types of gliders I have flown have moved the stick quite a lot with trim change. They are using spring type of trim. I have flown some powerplanes with sprint type of trim and they also move stick position, but others with other trim systems I have not flown enough to pay attention to stick movement with trim.
AA couple of the gliders I have flown have had trim tabs instead of spring trim. But they also move stick position with trim change. Of course only when there is airflow over the controls, stationary on the ground it does nothing.
SGents, I just received notice my order is coming up. Other than the base, are there any “must have accessories”?
RI also got the monster tech mount for using in my pit.
Vthe adaptor thingy if you use winwing/vkb etc
SI need a mount, problem is, i don't think that'll work with my winwing desk moutn
Spicked both, since i have winwing, and am waiting on a vkb order
BAlmost concerned about how it would fit in my NL Boeing pit
J50 to go!
JWas there somewhere folks were sharing their TelemFFB configs/settings?
B388.
AYou might want to consider restrictor plates, by default the Rhino has massive amounts of throw, especially if you are using extensions or anything like that
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This. At first I was thinking +/- 22deg was going to be awesome. But with a 20cm extension, that is a comically obscene amount of throw.NI then tested 18deg and am now using 15deg restrictor plates.
RI’m using the end stop effect in software and am at 50% so 11deg +- and it’s plenty
ADon’t you get oscillation with them?
RSo have you never practiced a trim landing? I highly recommend grabbing a safety pilot and giving a few a try. It’s a great varied practice exercise.
RNot that I’ve noticed. If I push past the end stop which is possible due to not using 100% spring effect it’s oscillates at the edge or end point but that doesn’t bother me and it’s a very small amount. Almost like a vibration telling me hey your at the end point. Works well tbh. I fly helos so I really don’t go to the endpoints at all
Mlook like you have more force than the Brunner
Mand i just bought the Brunner....damm
Jwaitlist is probably over 12 months right now for the Rhino (300+ people in line right now; ships 20ish a month)
JRhino is superior to the Brunner in almost every way though, particularly when it comes to software and ability to make it work when no native FFB is integrated into a game/module
Smy understanding is Brunner finally updated the software, but still too much money compared to this
JInteresting, so it works in games like Il-2 and MSFS 2020 now?
J*without the use of a physical diy workaround
BAlmost 400, I'm currently #388, if it holds at this I might have it sometime after New years 2025.
MGood things come to those who are patient......
BPut in a reservation yesterday. Any ideas long it usually takes to get a the bot status updated and a serial number assigned?