VPforce Controls•3y ago

OK, I'm trying to wrap my head around this 😬 . A few questions remain for clarification: - I want t

OK, I'm trying to wrap my head around this

. A few questions remain for clarification:

I want to use hardware trim for HPG helos and for other MSFS helos, so I have to disable "
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Sticky
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Sticky
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Sticky
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Sticky
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Hardware Force Trim
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Hardware Force Trim
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Hardware Force Trim
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Hardware Force Trim
" in VPforce FFB Configurator?
Then I have to unbind ''
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Helicopter Cyclic Longitudinal
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Helicopter Cyclic Longitudinal
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Helicopter Cyclic Longitudinal
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Helicopter Cyclic Longitudinal
and ''
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Helicopter Cyclic Lateral
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Helicopter Cyclic Lateral
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Helicopter Cyclic Lateral
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Helicopter Cyclic Lateral
" axis in MSFS or AAO (I'm using the latter) and bind "
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ROTOR_LATERAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
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ROTOR_LATERAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
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ROTOR_LATERAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
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ROTOR_LATERAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
" and "
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ROTOR_LONGITUDINAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
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ROTOR_LONGITUDINAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
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ROTOR_LONGITUDINAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
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ROTOR_LONGITUDINAL_TRIM_DEC/INC
", correct?
if I don't have a FFB collective, I just leave that axis untouched?
I don't get the cyclic trim in non-HPG helos to work like with "
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Hardware Trim Force
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Hardware Trim Force
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Hardware Trim Force
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Hardware Trim Force
". Is that because of "
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trim_following
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trim_following
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trim_following
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trim_following
" not working yet with helicopters?

TTheDude9974 OK, I'm trying to wrap my head around this 😬 . A few questions remain for clari...

Number481•11/4/23, 2:02 PM

I'll see if I can answer this all in one go...

Disable sticky since that will preclude any external app from modifying the behavior of that effect. You can leave hardware trim enabled, but you will want to un-check override trim for the HPG
- TelemFFB has a "hardware force trim" (but not hat trimming) implementation that works with all helicopters
TelemFFB needs to be the source of the axis position data for the cyclic since we are playing tricks on MSFS to make all these trim and AP implementations work (both here with the HPGs and with fixed-wing).
For the HPG 145/160 beep trims, you can either bind the in-game "ROTOR...TRIM_DEC/INC" bindings or you can send the applicable H:Event 'Cyclic Beep Trim <Direction>' events from AAO
Most helicopters don't have electric hat-type trimmers, so the generic 'trim following' implementation in TelemFFB has not been extended to work with generic helicopters. If you want to use the VPConf 'override trim' with other helicopters, you can make use of the dynamic vpconf profile switching feature in TelemFFB to load.
The other as yet undocumented advice I would give is to be certain that your stick is set up so that with hands off, in any force-trimmed position, that the stick remains centered as that will be critical for the H145/H160 to operate correctly. (adaptive recentering will help here)

Feel free to hit me up in DM and we can discuss further.

exil35•11/4/23, 4:30 PM

Also feel free to hit me up anytime. Once all is set up it's pretty much fire and forget.

RimanDk•11/5/23, 9:37 PM

Hi, I'm working through some ideas and prototypes for a physical "quick swap" installation on my aluminium profile rig. I don't have a cut out in my seat, so getting the stick as close to me as possible is a priority.

In that context, my rhino came with a power brick with a straight cord that sticks out a whole 5cm from the back. It's highly impractical. For me not to bend it, I have to design a mount that gives it that room as a minimum, at which point I might as well flip the damned thing, because the stick will be the same distance away from me.

I have seen a screenshot of a rhino with an angled power connector. Is this a known mod? I would like to get my hands on one.

Alternatively, is it possible to mount the rhino "sideways" and swap x and y axis in the software? (I haven't really gotten to the software part yet...)

jubuttib•11/6/23, 12:47 AM

Quick question, since I'm preparing to get a kit later on for my own build: The faq says the control board can supply up to 30 amps to the motors, is this enough for the higher torque options (86BLF3/4) to reach their full potential?

Fwiw my design idea isn't necessarily to make a super powered version, just one with extra headroom and reduced heating.

RRimanDk Hi, I'm working through some ideas and prototypes for a physical "quick swap" in...

JIGGAwest•11/6/23, 2:33 AM

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RimanDk•11/6/23, 7:01 AM

Many thanks! Much obliged!

Jjubuttib Quick question, since I'm preparing to get a kit later on for my own build: The ...

walmis•11/6/23, 8:54 AM

Yes, the large motors have more torque per amp with less heating

VPforceBot•11/6/23, 10:15 AM

RHINO #0240 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•11/6/23, 11:15 AM

RHINO #0241 Has Shipped!

jubuttib•11/6/23, 2:02 PM

Thanks walmis.

Aiva•11/6/23, 5:23 PM

The vibration (aka FFB) on Winwing F-16 Joystick with shake kit works on Rhino?

AndyHill•11/6/23, 7:05 PM

I could be wrong but afaik no

AAiva The vibration (aka FFB) on Winwing F-16 Joystick with shake kit works on Rhino?

JIGGAwest•11/6/23, 8:46 PM

It's not force feed back. It's vibration more like a buttkicker or rumble on a console gamepad. I've seen a few folks also confuse the Force sensing stick option with force feed back too. This is not the same.

A. Palmetto•11/6/23, 8:54 PM

Just received my motor kit! Time to install and set everything up after work! Cheers! Big thanks to @walmis and @subsonic1748

Icebeat•11/6/23, 9:38 PM

how long was the shipping?

AA. Palmetto Just received my motor kit! Time to install and set everything up after work! Ch...

Subsonic•11/6/23, 9:49 PM

Now the fun starts...hit me up with any questions

JJIGGAwest It's not force feed back. It's vibration more like a buttkicker or rumble on a c...

Aiva•11/6/23, 9:58 PM

Yeap I know I have it, but will I have it on a Rhino base as well?

IIcebeat how long was the shipping?

GeezAlbert•11/6/23, 10:01 PM

Cant quantify but i guess around a week

AAiva Yeap I know I have it, but will I have it on a Rhino base as well?

JIGGAwest•11/6/23, 10:03 PM

Yes, You get both effects.

AAiva Yeap I know I have it, but will I have it on a Rhino base as well?

JIGGAwest•11/6/23, 10:04 PM

I should qualify, that I don't know if you're winwing rumble will still work.

JJIGGAwest I should qualify, that I don't know if you're winwing rumble will still work.

aniron•11/6/23, 10:25 PM

No need for winwing rumble on a Rhino. It does the same thing but much better.

IIcebeat how long was the shipping?

A. Palmetto•11/6/23, 10:34 PM

A week including a 2day national holiday in Europe.

SSubsonic Now the fun starts...hit me up with any questions

A. Palmetto•11/6/23, 10:35 PM

Lol so something I noticed. The hardware section is m6x10 for the motors but the assy. Shows m6x16 lol so my screws be a little short

AA. Palmetto Lol so something I noticed. The hardware section is m6x10 for the motors but the...

Subsonic•11/6/23, 10:44 PM

Well that's an unfortunate typo....dang. Sorry.
I think you are the first live build from instructions.....gonna have to send you a case of beer for that and the corrections

SSubsonic Well that's an unfortunate typo....dang. Sorry. I think you are the first live ...

A. Palmetto•11/6/23, 10:57 PM

Haha all good glad to help out anyone else that’s gonna do it. Question. Is motor 1 and 2 specific to roll or yaw?

Subsonic•11/7/23, 2:06 AM

Yes, they are labeled as should be the control board.

AA. Palmetto Lol so something I noticed. The hardware section is m6x10 for the motors but the...

Jehly•11/7/23, 2:56 AM

I'm pretty stoked for you

SSubsonic Yes, they are labeled as should be the control board.

A. Palmetto•11/7/23, 4:04 AM

Okay I didn’t see the motors with a label 1 or 2

Subsonic•11/7/23, 4:05 AM

Neither did I until my second test fit, righ tbefore I plugged them in

A. Palmetto•11/7/23, 4:06 AM

I have roll on motor 1 and pitch on motor 2 on the control board. Haven’t fired it up yet but it’s all assembled. So i dont know if I actually did it right on the one and two

Subsonic•11/7/23, 4:13 AM

Looking at some old pics I see Pitch is labeled ID:0 and Roll is ID:1, so mine are connected with 0 to number 1 ports an 1 to the number 2 ports.
The creator @walmis can weigh in on if there is in fact a difference....

A. Palmetto•11/7/23, 4:14 AM

Well. I have them backward then lol

A. Palmetto•11/7/23, 4:15 AM

I saw one on the roll and hooked it up to one and 0 on pitch after I hooked 1 up to 1 so 0 is on 2..

A. Palmetto•11/7/23, 4:15 AM

Hopefully nothing blows up or shorts out when I get home and throw plug it in for the first time lmao

VPforceBot•11/7/23, 10:12 AM

RHINO #0242 Has Shipped!

SSubsonic Looking at some old pics I see Pitch is labeled ID:0 and Roll is ID:1, so mine a...

walmis•11/7/23, 6:27 PM

There's no difference which port data wires are connected to, it's on the same data bus.

Wwalmis There's no difference which port data wires are connected to, it's on the same d...

Subsonic•11/7/23, 7:35 PM

So they can be plugged in any which way and are labeled just for reference? No difference in the motor control circuits at all?

Zarro•11/7/23, 9:05 PM

Im super sorry if this is a common question, I just couldn't find a definite awnser to this. Are ONLY the motors + controller sold, and you need to figure the rest completely by yourself out. Or is there some kind of model for Diy'ing ?

Zarro•11/7/23, 9:06 PM

Okay, nevermind. Just found the open source FFB-Joystick-Base

AndyHill•11/7/23, 10:10 PM

there's the open source ffb-joystick-base

AndyHill•11/7/23, 10:10 PM

and a bunch of other resources

Subsonic•11/7/23, 10:40 PM

Github in my profile should get you pointed in the general direction

Bull•11/8/23, 10:53 PM

anyone here using the virpil desk mounts? is there a way to retain the long mount i already have and hook up the base to it? trying to figure out the hardware needed to support the base, if i do pull the trigger on this upgrade

BBull anyone here using the virpil desk mounts? is there a way to retain the long moun...

Number481•11/8/23, 11:13 PM

2x4, 3/4" plywood, adjustable furniture legs, wood screws, black paint... https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/1115471799308779540

OneHauteDog•11/9/23, 12:30 AM

IT IS MY TIME!!! That wait list was so long, but looks like folks jumped out of line. I am so very excited.

OneHauteDog•11/9/23, 12:30 AM

Curious if anyone is using the Rhino in conjunction with a Dofreality P3 or H3 and if so, have any mounting suggestions. Thanks in advance!

VPforceBot•11/9/23, 9:27 AM

RHINO #0243 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•11/9/23, 10:18 AM

RHINO #0244 Has Shipped!

miki•11/9/23, 11:11 AM

I was out of the loop for some time. What is current order #?

AA. Palmetto Lol so something I noticed. The hardware section is m6x10 for the motors but the...

Dedlike•11/9/23, 11:41 AM

do they still fit tho? i just bought them yesterday lol i kinda dont fancy going to the store again since it isnt exactly close