Pedal behavior with TelemFFB will vary based on the sim in question. (none of them have any native

Pedal behavior with TelemFFB will vary based on the sim in question. (none of them have any native pedal support). (in addition to all the haptic effects)

MSFS
- Auto switching between FBW (fixed spring), Dynamic spring force w/ dynamic slip based forces, and un-sprung for helicopters (configurable dampening)
- Rudder trim following
- Rudder autopilot following
- Nosewheel shimmy effect
DCS
- Auto switching between FBW (fixed spring), Dynamic spring force based on individual aircraft speed envelope, and un-sprung for helicopters (configurable dampening)
- Rudder trim following for fixed wing aircraft
IL2
- Nothing special added yet but should be able to implement at least dynamic spring forces.

RoyMi6•11/20/23, 7:32 PM

Nice couldn’t ask for more really given the lack of considering from any developer to it even being a thing!

Sorry @_gunzablazin are you a dev on this or just pulled that from the GitHub somewhere?

Jon (Bounty_V)•11/20/23, 7:36 PM

https://shop.brunner-simulation.ch/product/cls-e-mk-ii-rudder-pedals/ pedals with ffb (ok more specifically, brushless dc servos) do exist but support for them in games is very limited

Brunner Shop

CLS-E MK II Rudder Pedals | Brunner Shop

The BRUNNER CLS-E MK II Rudder Pedals will take you to the next level of flight simulation. Read more about the Force Feedback Rudder.

Jon (Bounty_V)•11/20/23, 7:36 PM

"Enabled by our CLS2Sim software-environment, the CLS-E MK II Rudder can easily communicate with commercially available simulation software such as X-Plane, Microsoft Flight Simulator and Prepar3D®. Furthermore, any third-party flight simulation solution can connect via a simple TCP/IP or UDP remote interface protocol. DirectX Force feedback enabled games are also fully supported. "

RRoyMi6 Nice couldn’t ask for more really given the lack of considering from any develop...

Number481OP•11/20/23, 7:51 PM

I'm just an owner who got a bug up my arse one day to start playing with the TelemFFB source code to see how it works and if I could add some effects to it... It kinda snowballed from there

(I wrote the support for all of what I mentioned in that list).

BTW, a lot of what TelemFFB can do is documented in the manual linked in #VPforce Rhino WIP Manual

but there is still a lot that is not documented (or has changed to some degree since it was initially documented)

RoyMi6•11/20/23, 8:15 PM

Nice. Software dev myself so I’ve got an aye on possibly contributing myself. Really interesting to see if I can pull something out of DCS to put judder in the rudder pedals if you oversteer the nose wheel of the F18 on “high”. You carry on going straight instead of turning if you’re going too fast so I’m thinking something like detecting the rotation angle of the pedals and if there’s any corresponding rotation of the aircraft itself. Maybe scale the “rumble” based on amplitude of your speed and difference between input vs rotational velocity.
Basically it’s something that I always get caught out for on the carrier and would like some feedback to know when it’s happening

RRoyMi6 Nice. Software dev myself so I’ve got an aye on possibly contributing myself. Re...

Number481OP•11/20/23, 9:11 PM

There is a surprising amount of data you can get out of DCS. Some effects even go so far as to interrogate the model draw arguments to generate the telemetry needed for an effect. The afterburner rumble is this way for example. That's also how the damage effect I wrote works. It pulls all of the damage related draw arguments for an aircraft (i.e., the visual bullet holes and texture/model changes that occur when you take damage). There is no other damage telemetry that I could figure out how to access.

RoyMi6•11/20/23, 9:16 PM

Ah yeah, I think I saw someone mention that AB effect in another chat somewhere. Oh well, good to know that we can essentially be as hacky as we want to get an effect

Ry-ballz•11/21/23, 2:31 AM

My number is getting close

for the gunfighter attachment is it for the Mk3 or Mk4?

Handy#8443•11/21/23, 2:50 AM

it appears that rhinos are being shipped at an average rate of 3 units per day.

Handy#8443•11/21/23, 2:55 AM

if that is so

Handy#8443•11/21/23, 2:56 AM

I am 561 units from getting mine.

Handy#8443•11/21/23, 2:56 AM

looking at a very long time to get my hands on mine.

HHandy#8443 looking at a very long time to get my hands on mine.

FlatSpin•11/21/23, 3:07 AM

582

VVakarian On the fly switch between spring/springless is the key, along with the ability t...

audax•11/21/23, 8:15 AM

Not having to climb out of the sim cockpit to attach or deattach the spring from the pedals would be a dream.

SSnooper https://github.com/bobhelander/EDForceFeedback

Dr. No•11/21/23, 8:38 AM

So im working on getting this EDForceFeedback to work from this elite dangerous FFB github you sent. I have a working version for sidewinder 2 FFB.

Now hooking up the rhino.
It needs product GUID . How do I find that. Does anyone know what this value is for the VPForce Rhino?
Update: EDForceFeedback works

, use below in your settings.json for VPForce Rhino to work.
Also use this release, the latest didn't work for me.
https://github.com/x360ce/x360ce/releases/tag/3.2.9.82
"ProductGuid": "2055ffff-0000-0000-0000-504944564944",
"ProductName": "VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick",

VPforceBot•11/21/23, 9:58 AM

RHINO #0256 Has Shipped!

DDr. No So im working on getting this EDForceFeedback to work from this elite dangerous...

Snooper•11/21/23, 10:41 AM

sorry I found that mod a while now but never put that to a test.

SSnooper sorry I found that mod a while now but never put that to a test.

Dr. No•11/21/23, 10:42 AM

Np man I'm just glad it works!

Snooper•11/21/23, 10:43 AM

thanks for the update

Dr. No•11/21/23, 11:29 AM

Wow I learned from that github there is this wonderful visual editor for forces .ffe files
It's from 2010 but so cool, you have to put the program in compatibility mode for Windows 98/Me
It's amazing though. I wonder how you guys create forces.

Dr. No•11/21/23, 11:29 AM

Promise it's not a virus or anything, they use these .ffe files with signals from Elite Dangerous to input forces via events.
Super simple to create and implement. Maybe i'll build more of this game out, there are very few effects he's setup thus far.
I got this file from the EDForceFeedback github

fedit.exe164.77KB

Dr. No•11/21/23, 11:31 AM

Dr. No•11/21/23, 11:37 AM

to think they had ALL these effects back in 2010 ... and all FFB was blocked by some IP ... what a waste ... Thanks so much for reviving this

Dr. No•11/21/23, 6:40 PM

Makes me wonder if its possible to add ffb to starwars squadrons...

Dr. No•11/21/23, 6:49 PM

Apparently I stumbled across this paid app.
https://www.simracingstudio.com/pc-games Its $20 a year subscription and it adds ffb to 120+ games. Just interesting. If I get it ill report back what the experience is.

Sim Racing Studio

PC GAMES | Sim Racing Studio

DDr. No to think they had ALL these effects back in 2010 ... and all FFB was blocked by ...

audax•11/21/23, 7:06 PM

Force Feedback never went away in the Simracing world. There just was not enough demand for Joysticks with ffb.

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:08 PM

Ah that's right! I wonder checking other software like this we can back capture some of those games and maybe tweak it further with controller software as well to see all the FFB possibilities for this FFB stick base

Bob Bushman•11/21/23, 7:09 PM

And for a very long time there barely was ms flightsim. All the spaceship and 6dof stuff vanished for ten years or so for tomb raider third person games and first person military shooters.

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:09 PM

I think the motion simulator stuff took off as well and as they build out we might be able to take advantage of that software as well.

Bob Bushman•11/21/23, 7:09 PM

What little market there was for joysticks was taken over by twin stick gamepads.

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:10 PM

Oh i didnt realize they had 6dof stuff back then

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:11 PM

Wait a second ... Lol lawnmower man

Bob Bushman•11/21/23, 7:11 PM

There was a time people considered that the future of vr gaming.

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:13 PM

All my brain can remember was that 6dof systems were like a human in a hamster ball with their body completely extended inside rolling around

Bob Bushman•11/21/23, 7:13 PM

Good Times

Bob Bushman•11/21/23, 7:15 PM

Still miss the feeling of strafing a cruiser in freespace as a dozen flak cannons shooting at me rattle through my sidewinder.

Bob Bushman•11/21/23, 7:15 PM

Also, no wonder i didnt get laid

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:22 PM

Hah its overrated man bc then comes marriage and baby carriage. Do it if you want a 2nd job ... literally.

Jon (Bounty_V)•11/21/23, 7:23 PM

I'd have to leave the house to meet people, single is so much easier haha

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:24 PM

Haha aye aye Captain!
There's always VRchat if you want your fix ... Kill 2 birds with one stone

Dr. No•11/21/23, 7:26 PM

In all honesty, bc i have kids ill have to spin this positive ... a good mate and you wont think twice though for good, for bad

DDr. No Hah its overrated man bc then comes marriage and baby carriage. Do it if you wan...

Bob Bushman•11/21/23, 7:31 PM

Well that was more than 20 years ago so that too has been seen to as well.

Icebeat•11/21/23, 10:39 PM

do you know if the VKB adapter is just a wire to wire connection or there is any other type of circuit between?

IIcebeat do you know if the VKB adapter is just a wire to wire connection or there is an...

walmis•11/22/23, 5:01 AM

It's wire to wire

VPforceBot•11/22/23, 6:24 AM

RHINO #0259 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•11/22/23, 11:00 AM

RHINO #0260 Has Shipped!

RoyMi6•11/22/23, 12:09 PM

Anyone able to comment on how long it took for their UPS tracking to update? Mine was “shipped” 48 hours ago but still says “UPS has not received the package yet”

Popo•11/22/23, 12:09 PM

4 to 5 days

walmis•11/22/23, 12:31 PM

Yeah, it needs to go to Poland first, then tracking starts updating once it reaches UPS hub.

RoyMi6•11/22/23, 12:38 PM

Ah cool, thanks