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mfad‱10mo ago
ggfpc

Male fashion and sexyness

Something that I've noticed over the years is that women's fashion is a lot "sexier" than men's. Women have a lot of options that enhance or display the features of their bodies that are considered attractive, for example there's cleavage, cinched waists, short skirts, dresses that hug their curves, and there are very clear paths for dressing in a sexy way even if you don't have the ideal body type. Men's fashion, on the other hand, has never struck me as sexy. When I think of a sexy men's outfit I immediately think of a suit, which enhances some interesting elements like broad shoulders and the cinched waist (or v-taper in male terms lol), but suits are quite formal and not suitable for most occasions. I'd love to hear more thoughts on this, do you agree? Feel free to share any fits that make you feel hot
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raisinpie
raisinpie‱10mo ago
Hoh boy
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
One big part could be that you are more attracted to women than men But also there's like a billion pages of feminist theory which explains this
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Not directly addressing your specific comments just the overall topic. I think when straight men bring this up it's mostly "how can someone who's masc dress in a slutty way that's not queer-coded". I personally haven't found an answer, but I always hope for genuine participation in this topic rather than "be muscular and roll your sleeves up" because it genuinely interests me how to present myself is a more sexual manner with my clothing.
ggfpc
ggfpc‱10mo ago
This is a good point, although my point isn't specific to what I'm attracted to, but also what women wear to make themselves feel better.
sinbad
sinbad‱10mo ago
tank top and long sleeve collared shirt
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
How do u feel about like. Lacey or sheer clothing. This is to beans point that this still kinda read queer but I think less and less so every day
ggfpc
ggfpc‱10mo ago
I'm seeing more men wear it, especially in red carpets and I quite like it. It does feel sexy. I probably wouldn't wear it myself, but I think it's a great suggestion
sharloy
sharloy‱10mo ago
I literally dress like a cunt
Carney
Carney‱10mo ago
personally, this is more fitted stuff for me. not tight, but not the baggy look that seems to be the recent trend. fitted enough to be comfortable but still shows that i'm putting in work at the gym. sure, some of the looser fit stuff still drapes in a way that might show this too, but between a big shirt that just hangs on your frame and doesnt give you much of a shape vs a shirt that isnt tight but still fitted enough to show off the outline of your shoulders/back/arms is going to look a lot better. of course, thats just my opinion
punchouli
punchouli‱10mo ago
I like to show off a lil clavicle and my partner likes me to show off my body hair. There's a lot that goes into it depending on if you're wearing things that make you feel sexy / what people have told you that you look good in.
Carney
Carney‱10mo ago
i think this idea of 'enhancing or displaying attractive features' is really what i'm getting at. tough to do when your clothes are a few sizes too big
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
This simply isn't true??? Men are so silly with this stuff
Carney
Carney‱10mo ago
i guess that would depend on what someone considers to be an 'attractive feature'
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
Yeah ig All I'm saying is your heterosexual male standards of "what other people find attractive" are probably wrong
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
we get it you hate wide fit lmao
tunđŸŒ»
tunđŸŒ»â€ą10mo ago
This is peak male sexiness
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Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
also yes straight men are horrific at figuring out what people attracted to men like
punchouli
punchouli‱10mo ago
you can tell the right one is the softie of the group... look at the soulful gaze
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
and i don't think the question is "how can i show more skin" shorts and tank tops exist sexy clothes isn't just "be hot"
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
Tasteful concealment and revealing of skin...just hard to say what tasteful is Also applies to figure of course
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
i assume you don't think the only "sexy" clothes women wear is skin tight dresses or something
sharloy
sharloy‱10mo ago
Men also seem to think that the hottest men always have to be the most jacked and tall which is not true
Carney
Carney‱10mo ago
not at all. i mean sometimes, sure. but its much more interesting when theres something left for the imagination
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
Let’s not go down this route tbh I don’t care what yall find sexy This is why all the best womenswear designers are gay men
sharloy
sharloy‱10mo ago
Well there’s also the historical patriarchy segment but yes all the best male womenswear designers are likely gay
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
I do find this cringe but I wonder now why I find it cringe If it wasn't associated with the alpha male cringe personality would I think differently
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
Fully skin tight womenswear looks are also hard to execute well And the ones that are good are specifically designed for that Vs just wearing stuff that is too small
punchouli
punchouli‱10mo ago
nothing cringy about 4 lads in jeans, I hope they had fun. The SEXCORE outfits aren't timely or flattering imo but they're just cheeky lads out on the town (1 million gbp) im legally obligated to inform you I own a 30% stake in this NFT
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
Ah yeah, that makes sense. Does give off, wearing a size too small rather than it being purposeful
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
I think one thing is adequately imagining an other looking at your clothes, rather than yourself Maybe too philosophical idk
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
On the "accenting desirable traits" there are padded suit shoulders which are often used for that But I think that's not the point of this discussion I just think for a variety of reasons it just doesn't exist in menswear in ways that aren't queer coded? But I would caution against trying to simply reverse the male gaze to try to figure this out
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
If you want to look run through you wear a beanie and brown suede Chelsea boots
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
if u can't tell i lift when im wearing a 3xl tee & extra wide pants im not working hard enough
Carney
Carney‱10mo ago
i mean its all going to boil down to what each person finds attractive. for me, part of what makes a person ‘attractive’ is knowing that they take the time to exercise and take care of themselves in that way. for that reason, using these photos as example and knowing anything else about the person, I find the person on the right to be more appealing to me. they aren’t showing more skin or wearing anything super fitted or tight, but there are subtle hints in the way the fabric drapes that indicate they might possess traits that i find attractive. to that point, companies cut their clothes in a way that makes them look a certain way when they are worn – be it higher cut and slimmer arm holes, tapered waists, etc. but also im an internet stranger who has no idea what im talking about so đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž
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awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
I think another cultural piece that plays into this is that many characters in media (men and women) aren’t portrayed in a sexual way. Like captain America is hot but he doesn’t fuck But look at any picture of Tom Selleck
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
If you link the everyone is beautiful and no one is horny essay I’m gonna cry
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Yeah that’s the one lmao
Xen
Xen‱10mo ago
here are two different fits that made me feel hot, extrapolate as you will
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adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
GOT EM
Kobold
Kobold‱10mo ago
it's a good essay :/
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
It’s actually very relevant to this post honestly
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Yeah it’s a meme but I like it and think it’s good
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
I just can’t escape it anywhere on the internet It’s a good piece of writing
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
when a man is a bit tousled and wet and a little bit pathetic <- thats attractive
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
I don’t care what people find attractive tho That’s not the same
Kobold
Kobold‱10mo ago
it's a complicated subject
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
I do agree that you should dress the way you want, but I feel like that is different from this discussion.
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
i think what im trying to articulate is that state of being just a lil disheveled is sexy on a man to me. a few buttons undone, hair a lil wet, shirt almost tucked in, geralt of rivia, etc
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
You just sound horny!
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
its a convo abt sexiness is it illegal to be horny
Kobold
Kobold‱10mo ago
but ye that essay isn't about what ppl find attractive at all, it's about how movies are full of "sexy" actors who have no sex
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Henry Cavill is just hot tho He’s hot as Geralt and as Superman
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
Yeah, it's a, hot bc it's a hot guy thing
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
He’s got building a PC on a livestream
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
he did a great job, but reading thru the witcher before henry got his hands on geralt was enough for me but like that's what im driving at I think? If i can see you are a man that 1) is struggling 2) keeps trying then that's pure sexy. Sometimes that's a question of the fit, sometimes it's not lol
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
The difference is like rn the high-waist single piece bathing suits for women are considered more hot than two-pieces. I feel like most discussions on this for men are just “be hot” Mesh shirts and tank tops kinda are the only things I think can be sexual clothing items in male fashion Men wearing suits can be hot, but they’re not sexual Or at least idk how I’d buy a “sexy” suit
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
White tshirts, loose wide legged trousers, soft button downs, crop tops - these are sexually charged items on a man imo. I don't think ive ever seen a man in a suit and thought "ok let's go"
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Crop tops yeah
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
i think it's a matter of socialization & culture tho. like men aren't expected to be sexy and signal sexiness thru dress, that sexiness comes from somewhere else like I think live action geralt is hot, but I don't think Henry cavill is lol
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
There are concepts tho that I think can help. A bit of a trend in womenswear is lingerie style pieces paired with normal pants and a jacket. So an option for male fashion could be a suit but skip the button down
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
Lemaire I've always found sexy, think it's the draping and fabric
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
yeah i have a ton of inspo (its inspo i promise) saved of exactly that lol, a suit with the jacket buttoned and nothing underneath - but the suit must be cut wide & drape well. Like this lemaire suit that i cannot stop thinking about!
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carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
(Obv remove the turtleneck)
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Finally found an example
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Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
P much edgyalberts style I feel is what's sexy rn, which is like that
Kobold
Kobold‱10mo ago
last year I played a bunch of otome games to try and pin some things down about this subject diabolik lovers was pretty cool wish i fell in love with a vampire
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
This is a great question to ask the types of people you are interested in sexually/romantically.
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
I feel like he’s not dressing in a sexual way at all
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
Guessing that you're hetero, usually the clothes that play up shoulder/hip ratios, chest width, emphasize the face/jaw line, elongate the legs, all play up physical traits that women generally look for from a psychological/biological perspective Most people have a general coding to find certain things in the opposite sex attractive, women tend to wear makeup that makes them appear symmetrical and flush because that signals good blood flow and health, and red/shades of red lipstick for the same reason
s stands for nothing
s stands for nothing‱10mo ago
I have nothing to add to this conversation other than, if you are looking for examples of sexy men, you might check out my past and future waywt posts 😎
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
I knew we couldn’t get thru this without someone saying “biologically”
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
A good male example (imo) is a well fitted suit worn with a button down shirt that has a few buttons undone, because is does a great job framing the face, playing up and helping with the hip/shoulder ratio, the buttons undone helps emphasize that "v" shape, and showing some skin usually helps with the sexy vibes It's a good basis to start from, it gets a really bad rap nowadays because people were way to simplistic with it, took it to be a written in stone immutable truth for all, and forgot all the nuance involved.
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
It’s the worst place to start from
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
What alot of people that pay too much attention to the biological part in dress miss when talking about this is that no amount of being well dressed will offset a terrible personality, and alot of people that talk about this do tend to use it as a way to hide and not fix their personality (imo)
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
That’s not the bad part actually
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
You misunderstand me I don’t want to get laid I want to dress like a slut
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
The bad part is all the pop psychology bullshit that people use to justify a bunch of specific beauty standards being truer than other ones And causing a whole lot of people to feel like shit
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
There's alot of pop psychology that gets wrapped up with it and can be hard to sort out, yes
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
No it’s all pop psychology There’s no wrapped up It’s bullshit No one needs to hear it
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
All of it is pop psychology? The entirety of evolutionary psychology is bullshit?
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
i want a guy in a suit because he has the physical traits that i want in a child when he gets me (a man with none of the right parts) pregnant 👍
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
There is no reason to bring up any of this in this server Debate it in your psych server
punchouli
punchouli‱10mo ago
no carrion is right
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
I have no patience for beauty standard nonsense
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
What is sexy is complex and even that word as it's being used isn't all that well defined, slutty isn't always sexy isn't always sensual, but usually people will use sexy to mean any or all
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
I don’t care what you find attractive in a woman or why you think that is true
punchouli
punchouli‱10mo ago
when I discuss sexiness I wear a shroud over my head to hide the shame from God like I'm eating ortolan
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
There is alot that goes into what someone finds sexy, you in yourself or you in someone else. The psychology of it has parts that are biological, sociological, etc. Different cultures, different times, alot of things go into constructing what it means to be sexy
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
Woah I had not heard of this that is wiiiild
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
I just told you I don’t care and this isn’t the place
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
I understand you saying that the biological aspect is rife with pseudoscience, that's it's just one part of a much larger picture, and that it's a piece you find small and irrelevant
punchouli
punchouli‱10mo ago
me and the crew discussing smut
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bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
The topic is rife with all sorts of things that don’t belong here, let it go I actually think the topic of the discussion has been almost entirely missed, and that’s why does fashion seem to have a different lens through which it views menswear and womenswear Not what makes you think someone is hot
lordofthethighs.
lordofthethighs.‱10mo ago
I was in no way meaning to offend anyone, so I'm sorry if I touched a nerve
punchouli
punchouli‱10mo ago
jokes aside this is the truth and I'd be interested in another fashion-discussion post dissecting why that is
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
maybe clothes was a mistake adam and eve had it wrong a lot of what many consider sexy for men tend to revolve around how it affects peoples perception about them rather than anything specifically physical.
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
when i think sexual male design i think like celine homme summer 23 using cropped and oversized sillhouettes to create this effect where even though you're for the most part fully clothed you get a lot of like hip bone, clavicle, etc lines of that nature that lead the eye
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
Yes that Hedi’s first @adaptation
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
i'd love to talk about this instead because i think the reason that this discussion has been so disjointed is really interesting he debuted in like 2018 no? at celine
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
HAS IT BEEN THAT LONG
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
debut sept 28 2018
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
Wow I’m just seeing this look the professorial top with the leather pants is sooo cool
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
just googled it its quite good
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
Oh my god sorry
eggtart!
eggtart!‱10mo ago
does k-pop fashion have any revlance in this topic lmao
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
yeah no that is the winter actually
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
No it was, @adaptation you’re right was looking at both
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
CELINE
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adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
heres summer if you want the collection has some big misses but i cant not love it because the highs are so high
circleframes
circleframes‱10mo ago
Could say that about Hedi’s whole output for me tbh
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
fair enough there are some big styling misses with pieces that look better in the campaigns though including my favorite piece from the collection
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
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adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
This jacket
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
which got done very dirty on runway imo
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Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
Think I got lost in the sauce of what I think I find attractive in men's fashion cause it's such a nuanced topic. Cause the obvious answer you'd think would be showing more skin, etc but ultimately men are in a position of power where if they dressed scantily it would give more vibes of being a predator. Maybe predator is the wrong word but like, it more often gives the impression of having bad intentions? Though yeah it's more situational and nuanced.
adaptation
adaptation‱10mo ago
are you looking for the word like seedy or something along those lines? because there can be a very 'diirtbag' feel to a lot of the looks that are 'sexy'
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
Yeah seedy would be more appropriate
carrion
carrion‱10mo ago
even with women's wear, sexy to me isnt just showing skin, yknow? it's def hard to like, define, because it's all vibes. like to me pants/shoes interaction as a term means nothing. I could not tell u why I think there is a good pantshoeinteract, but I can say "shoes look wack here" in the same way i can tell you i think someone is sexy, but the clothes by themselves arent usually where sexy starts or ends
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
My thinking was more along the lines of more explicitly sexy but yeah it's hard to define. Like with womenswear there are clothes that were designed with the intent of looking appealing. There's that empowering feeling of oh man I look sexy in this. Whereas for men it's more blurry? Because attraction is mainly based on social perceptions, although it sounds antithetical, it does feel like currently it falls more along the lines that men are more sexy dressed?
Carney
Carney‱10mo ago
what about shapewear? i think it can be argued that those types of garments primarily serve the purpose of making the wearer look more 'appealing' though i guess most people would be wearing that stuff under their regular clothes so maybe it doesnt count
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱10mo ago
The more related and clear version would be corsets Which are shaping and have a lot of complex history but are also a major part of the fashion lexicon wrt womenswear Think about how many garments have corset elements even when they aren’t intended to shrink your waist in the same way It has a complex place in the culture that designers can use and pull in different directions
Xen
Xen‱10mo ago
hmmm lot of comments in here and none of them are about my fits
Spuck
Spuck‱10mo ago
the wet rat look Men can dress a little cunty, as a treat
OceanicEternity
OceanicEternity‱10mo ago
I think it has a lot to do with intentional revealing of skin with details that attract the eye to those parts that are revealed: see lace and or straps. Moreover there are a lot of interesting details on a body that aren't just height and muscle. I think... the best clothing that works in a sexy way is trying to emphasise the detail and beauty of a body, as opposed to working with some sort of "ideal form". I also think that the lack of a drive for overly erotic male clothing is one thing and one thing only: There's a lot of homophobia out there.
shootfilmnotbullets
shootfilmnotbullets‱10mo ago
I feel like those slouchy Armani suits would like a word with you. Some of the suit wearing in Baz’s Romeo and Juliet was pretty sexy too
Pierre
Pierre‱10mo ago
reading through, but um that's just cz edgyalbert is hot and fit
AndrewA
AndrewA‱10mo ago
What about when someone who is less conventionally attractive wears something similar? Like Gabriel Mor or David Lane. Not that those guys are bad looking or ugly. Just less hot than Albert. I haven’t read through this whole thread yet but my initial thoughts are something like the big pant small shirt or short shorts with big over shirt.
Pierre
Pierre‱10mo ago
I don't really know who David Lane is, but I've come across quite a few of Gabriel Mor and it definitely doesn't fit the sexy vibe to me. I like his style still, but Albert makes it work so much better just because he is attractive I think the same principle applies to like Daniel Simmons, if a guy that wasn't as attractive was wearing his fits, most people wouldn't bat an eye and I don't mean that Daniel's style is bad, I really like it, but I think the person being attractive is what draws the larger crowds in
Confuzzler
Confuzzler‱10mo ago
oh i was talking about the style in general when i mentioned albert. hes not personally my type but i think the style is sexy in general. the whole tank top showing some skin while the pants cinches the waist
zeometer
zeometer‱10mo ago
i feel like the cheat code to 'sexy' menswear is 90% being hot - broad shoulders and chest, narrow waist, etc etc aside from the instances where brands intentionally make sexy clothing (slickitup comes to mind but then again i am a 🚬 so) it's mostly designing clothes to feature this - suits with half-buttoned shirts, tank tops, never seeing someone's kneecaps, etc etc
Sal
Sal‱10mo ago
Gutted i missed this convo Can someone summarize
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
it had potential but this isn't the right place for this discussion don't think any conclusions were reached
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
Went completely off the rails lol
Sal
Sal‱10mo ago
dare i scroll up
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
It’s not that bad, just off-topic quite a bit A lot of “I find it sexy when men do X”
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
this mostly from straight men so don't trust it
eggtart!
eggtart!‱10mo ago
It would be interesting to discuss the female gaze I feel
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
definetly not on this server
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
Many will argue this is not a thing
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
We managed to avoid “rolled up sleeves” but did get a hit on “attracted biologically”
eggtart!
eggtart!‱10mo ago
Fair enough
s stands for nothing
s stands for nothing‱10mo ago
very meme able topic
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
If you actually look into the writing behind what "the male gaze" it would make no sense for an equivalent "female gaze" to be a thing I have a friend who this is their hobby horse lol
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Any primers?
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
I'll ask them I'm always uncritically repeating things smarter friends tell me 😎
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
I presume it’s related to power dynamics and systemic power structures but interested to actually do the work a bit
Smiles
Smiles‱10mo ago
im sure theres feminist literature on it but i don't know where to find it
awburkey
awburkey‱10mo ago
Same lol
yurt
yurt‱10mo ago
The origin of the term is the 1972 docuseries Ways of Seeing though And the book which was adapted from it
Sal
Sal‱10mo ago
Oh that wasn't so bad after all
zeometer
zeometer‱10mo ago
fwiw i laughed a few times reading and think a sense of humor is sexy so mission accomplished? but really it's like...be hot and show your clavicle. not a lot of variance in menswear tbh
brydi
brydi‱10mo ago
heres a thought
“Is not the most erotic portion of a body where the garment gapes? In perversion (which is the realm of textual pleasure) there are no "erogenous zones" (a foolish expression, besides); it is intermittence, as psychoanalysis has so rightly stated, which is erotic: the intermittence of skin flashing between two articles of clothing (trousers and sweater), between two edges (the open-necked shirt, the glove and the sleeve); it is this flash itself which seduces, or rather: the staging of an appearance-as-disappearance. ”
Spuck
Spuck‱10mo ago
No collar gaps arent sexy derek
mark
mark‱9mo ago
Not entirely. It works along different lines, as a way of looking back and not just an inversion of roles. bell hooks for example conceptualized an oppositional (black female) gaze. There are also critiques of Mulvey coming from the bdsm side, critiquing the underlying Freudian theory. If I recall correctly there is also some writing by the lesbian bdsm collective Samois on looking/gazing. Edit: after a bit of searching I found the paper. Turns out it is a critique based on Deleuzes analysis of masochism. I only have the German full text. But maybe someone has access or you could try sci hub. If I recall correctly it is a really interesting paper. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10509208409361219
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Anyway why hasn't anyone mentioned leather jackets yet I feel like there is a lot more to dressing sexy than just showing more skin or muscle High waisted jeans with a white t shirt and a leather jacket are quintessentially masculine sexy Also I think accessories can signal sexiness, like earrings and necklaces Don't forget sunglasses
Echo-Ecco.ExE
Echo-Ecco.ExE‱9mo ago
I would like to express more in my style/clothing, hopefully feel more confident or comfortable in my own skin I’ve wanted to get into jewellery
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
I dont think it has anything to do with male fashion, its about male body, revealing body parts doesnt make a man look sexy. with the exception of shorts (if one has big calves shorts look sexy), shirts sweater jackets etc. (if one has broad shoulders), or grey sweatpants (if you have .. you know); unless you have good genetics or workout, no clothing can make a man look sexy. but females have lots of options and they dont need workout or much genetics
artvandelayimporting
Holy shit dude
Sam I Am
Sam I Am‱9mo ago
revealing body parts doesnt make a man look sexy.
source?
william
william‱9mo ago
I don’t work out I’m sexy as fuck boy
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
"females" 💀💀
william
william‱9mo ago
Females can put in no work and get mates???
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
I'm just impressed youre always on valorant while posting these things next level multitasking
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
Calm down Andrew Tate
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
Can u elaborate on good genetics pls
s stands for nothing
Genetics are very important for humans, and by extension, our social structures. For example, if your genes are different it might mean that you are a tomato or a fish or something other than a human. So its important to have good human genes if you want to be a human
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
men with good genetics have broad shoulders and thick calves
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
I was kidding
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
oh okay
s stands for nothing
Thick Calves?
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
lol
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
TIL multiple time UFC champion Jon Jones has bad genetics
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
Perfect genetics
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
Please make it stop
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
no I want to hear more
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
I don’t tbh
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
hey you're playing word games with me! good in "good genetics" means sexy, not better than something else he just has ordinary genetics
william
william‱9mo ago
Vali, I think the point people are trying to make is the way you’ve put together this post sounds really incel adjacent and most people aren’t here for it.
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
Hey if you find big calves on men sexy all power to you, just know your preferences in men and clothes are very much not universal
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
This is such a sad way to think dawg
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Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
finding big calves sexy is a common thing, if you are attracted to non-feminine male people
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
I tried
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
....are you attracted to non-feminine male people?
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
well yes
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
Lol "non feminine male people"
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
So this is like personal preference then?
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
what's funny about that? there is diversity and gotta respect that
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
I.. No, I'm out
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
well no, big calves attract women, maybe not all but it's not a rare thing, it's also what I find attractive
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
At first I thought you were dog whistling but you might just have the worst takes I’ve ever seen and a very fucked worldview
william
william‱9mo ago
I’ve literally never had a woman comment on my calf size and they’re disproportionately large.
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
So I should describe my wife as a feminine non-male person?
william
william‱9mo ago
But that’s besides the point lol
s stands for nothing
what if we go back to posting funny gifs of cows?
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
nice calves but they could be bigger
s stands for nothing
too true
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
Dude, stop listening to Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, etc.
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
hi 🙂 my husband has smaller than average calves and i find him sexy thought that anecdote would help
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
but I never listen to those people, I just said that unless one has big calves or broad shoulders , no clothing can look sexy and it's my opinion
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
that is still completely unhinged
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
you're entitled to your opinion but also that's an insane take
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
and reductive
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
Can look sexy to you or in general?
Sam I Am
Sam I Am‱9mo ago
my husband has broad shoulders and big calves, he's very much a twink tho...
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
Well, I guess all hope for me is lost. Brb telling my wife she needs to divorce me.
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
What do I tell my friend whose celebrity crush is timothee chalamet
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
power twink đŸ’ȘđŸ»
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
why are you telling that? when there is love, your wife will find anything you wear sexy because she loves you and her emotions change
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
(for purposes of clarity one can be a power twink without big calves or broad shoulders)
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
What do I tell my wife whose celebrity crush is Louis Theroux??
s stands for nothing
So is it just a weird way of saying "Clothes have no relation to sexiness" or am I misinterpreting?
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
Because she is a woman and driven by emotions? Is that what you are saying?
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
(I did not realise this was a real term and I cede the floor)
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
to a degree
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
Dude, just stop. Stop digging. I don't know what you're trying to argue here, but you're not going to find any takers.
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
How did you come to these ideas
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
this is such a random one hahaha
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
no ideas, I'm just telling what I find sexy, or not it's emotion
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
No description
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
If she had good taste she would not have married me :xd:
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
okay is it emotion or genetics then
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
you post cows but not Alistar? shame
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
@rej get in here
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
We league posting now??
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
Yes 😈
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
vayne is not a cow
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
Who mogs, Yone or Yasuo Vali?
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
Yone with his abs
artvandelayimporting
Smh I can’t believe a thread called ‘male fashion and sexyness’ fostered such insane conversation
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
Yes, however you are framing your conception of attractiveness as a universal fact that everyone experiences rather than your own personal taste The one in my last ranked game was
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
also speaking on behalf of all women in the process
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
I'm too sexy for this thread.
carrion
carrion‱9mo ago
Between these comments, and your previous thread i think its time for you to :post: :fit:
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
I saw a video on tiktok, a man was wearing shorts and had thick calves, comments were full of women commenting on his calves, and those shorts the man wore, become sexy by default thats how sexiness works
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
Ok and that is their taste
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
oh god
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
That's self selecting
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
one tik tok video is not statistically significant
jfarrell468
jfarrell468‱9mo ago
Going to go make dinner. Which is hella sexy, my dudes.
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
please learn data literacy
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
There are conventional body standards that many people find attractive that a) vary by culture and are not universal and b) are not representative of all people Is that what you’re referring to?
Spuck
Spuck‱9mo ago
extremely incorrect buzzer noise
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
😔
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
You can just say what you like, you don't have to try to make your positions objective I think that's what people are getting hung up on
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
@Vali answer me
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
I can't really understand big calves attracting "females" might be universal like bobs attracting "males" and broad shoulders too
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
For most cultures, there is a set of body characteristics that are considered ‘ideal’- a ‘beauty standard’ if you will- but it isn’t the be all end all of attractiveness for a few reasons First of all it doesn’t transcend culture- different cultures have different traits in their beauty standard And also many people aren’t exclusively attracted by those traits and in many cases aren’t attracted to those traits at all
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
would you kindly source this 'universal' claim regarding bobs attracting "males" quote-unquote?
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
yeah bobs are hot
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
if that was a typo for boobs, a source would greatly be appreciated still
s stands for nothing
many "males" enjoy a particular "sponge" bob but maybe not in a sexual way, idk though i cant speak for everyone
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
Love bob
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
source is me pretty reliable actually
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
Bruh 😭😭😭
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
God i love myself
mewball
mewball‱9mo ago
alright everyone
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
So this is true for you personally Which is different than it being true universally I’m leaving at the end of the first quarter I can’t do this anymore man
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
gigachad “ i said so” vs cucked “source?”
mewball
mewball‱9mo ago
this is your official mod notice to chill out. definitely some weird comments being made, like this ^ people trolling in here knock it off as well. i will just kill this thread if y'all cannot behave
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Can we still talk about clothes Like I am actually interested in the topic of discussion
mewball
mewball‱9mo ago
yes
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
can you just send a pic of "sexy" (your view) male clothing if there is any to invalidate me?
mewball
mewball‱9mo ago
@Vali drop it or im just going to time you out
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
it’s highly subjective man, you have people in here literally telling you they are the exception
Vali
Vali‱9mo ago
I dropped it and asked a question about sexy male clothing so we can discuss further
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
to what ur saying
mewball
mewball‱9mo ago
no you are being obviously argumentative, smartass take a walk timed out
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
Are you referring to the comments you made way earlier? You might have to repost them theyre hard to find now
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
My previous post
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
thanks. I think what OP was saying was traditionally sexy clothes for men and women are different, and they were asking why
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
one thing I will say is that a lot of attractive clothing is actually just trendy clothing
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
like you say you can be sexy without showing skin, but that is not whats historically been considered sexy for women At least not in the last few decades
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
like u see tiktok posts wtih 500k likes “boys who wear stussy>>>” u feel me and maybe the non-streetwear version of that is higher rise pants etc, stuff like edgyalbert on tiktok And being attracted to someone’s clothes and being attracted to them physically is inevitably intertwined, not saying there is an one ideal attractive male physique
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Well the obvious reason is the patriarchy of course
jibba
jibba‱9mo ago
For me, the easiest way to approach the question is very literally, thinking of sexiness as "evocative of sex". So the question becomes why ar there more options for women to evoke sex than men. And that is largely because women are more sexualized in mass media imo, so the possible sartorial vocabulary of clothing associated with sex to pull from is larger.
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
yeah definitely
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
i would argue those are not inherently sexy but rather pushed by society/media/a relic of previous generations also fit is king and fit is sexy
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Well what is inherently sexy?
jibba
jibba‱9mo ago
That said, even with less to pull from, there are definitely sexy items for men imo. I didn't see much discussion of queer fashion above
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
Yeah the initial question was pretty straight-coded
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Is little black dress inherently sexy or also pushed by media and previous generations?
carrion
carrion‱9mo ago
I totally misunderstood the question because of this lmfao
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
I don't think it was phrased well I still don't know what I'm supposed to be discussing
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
ur supposed to be discussing why im so male fashion and sexyness
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
I don't think inherent sexiness is something we can discuss Because we all have context, the little black dress doesn't exist in a vacuum for anyone
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
Is there a difference?
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Exactly thats why I asked the question
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
The little black dress fell out of a coconut tree
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
i would argue clothing for menswear is not inherently sexy because we (a male-led heteronormative society) are not conditioned to want/need/desire men as sexual objects, thus there's no need for menswear to be sexy
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
gg
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
I think a leather jacket and high waisted jeans on men is sexy
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
Someone in here has to be terminally online enough to get this please
yurt
yurt‱9mo ago
Sigh
adaptation
adaptation‱9mo ago
LFG
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱9mo ago
I think the interesting discussion to have that isn’t just “how can I dress sexy” is about the lens that fashion views womenswear and menswear and why sexiness is much more prevalent as a through line in the former vs the latter Talking about what people find sexy in the specific is useless
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
How about rock stars, movie stars, etc? There are men who are lusted over in public
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱9mo ago
Talking about fashion design and how we see those differences reinforced or broken down is much more on topic
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
they all wear different types of clothing though
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
i mean I think what attractive celebs wear becomes linked to sexiness in men’s clothing
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Sure, women do as well
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
like the “jacob elordi style” etc
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱9mo ago
If you’re gonna talk on this topic I think it’s really important to use pictures and sources actually within fashion
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
the person is deemed sexy, often due moreso to their talents or, yes, physical appearance, and then their clothes are retrofitted into their conversation
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan‱9mo ago
Because “what do people find sexy” is just so absurdly broad as to be useless
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
yes? that’s what I’m saying haha and it becomes intertwined
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
i agree! discord spaced out my follow up comment
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
Oh gotchu
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
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zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
if one is looking for a contemporary example for what i'd consider "sexy" menswear louis gabriel nouchi's SS23 collection fits the bill https://www.fashionotography.com/lgn-louis-gabriel-nouchi-ss-2023-pfw/?amp
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
i mean i think ur just falling into the trap that clothing that emphasizes men’s bodies is attractive
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
but even within that there's several different types of garments
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
Are the clothes sexy or is Marlon Brando just fucking hot
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Both The rebel archetype is also hot
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
so you'd disagree with the premise fashion emphasizes sexiness in women's designs far more than in men's designs Because you disagree what sexiness means
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
If I'm understanding
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
Me rn
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
No, I definitely agree with the statement. I just think there are also some classic styles that are universally seen as sexy on men Like this
artvandelayimporting
It’s very important to note that I am shitposting
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
'seen as sexy' or 'designed to be sexy'
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Yes if you would be serious you wouldnt have cropped their shoes
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
there's a distinction imo
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
And I feel it's reductive to only see sexy clothes as showing skin or muscle Well you could get a bdsm leather jacket and it would definitely be designed for sexyness
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
is brando wearing a bdsm jacket
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
No, but Brando created the archetypical character 'rebel with a leather jacket' And the leather fetish thing was partly built on that
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
leather jackets were functional garments first and foremost
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
Wait rly TIL
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
I feel like brandos character in the movie leading to the popularization of that style is very different from the topic at hand
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
This bit to clarify
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
But it did put his sexyness and the style together
raisinpie
raisinpie‱9mo ago
That feels more like a discussion on celebrity influence on fashion
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
More pop culture influence I would say Anyway: more fun to discuss than genes
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
i mean in terms of male fashion and sexyness celebrity influence is undoubtedly huge?
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
that is circling around the point that society deems an individual or archetype as sexy before the actual clothing if brando wore a polo shirt and chinos and did the same thing would people still find him sexy
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Other example: slouchy 70s suit a la Mick Jagger Those things can't be separated imo I would not!
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
you can imo because not every guy that wears a leather jacket, t shirt and jeans is considered sexy
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Same for a little black dress
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
and there's a far wider variance of 'how' sexy one is that wears that than a LBD
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
no one/no thing is considered universally sexy so im not sure how this really makes sense
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
No description
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
combining those suggests if an individual is sexy because their clothes are sexy then anyone who wears those same clothes would be sexy whch i disagree with
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Clothes can't be separated from the person that wears them, or the fashion language / archetype it's conveying Saying a piece of clothing is sexy doesnt mean people will magically become hot when wearing it It also doesn't mean that if you take it away Marlon Brando will cease to be hot
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
we are saying or else believe the same thing iirc
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
I think so
zeometer
zeometer‱9mo ago
i was going to offer up prince as an alternative to male 'sexiness' that has scaled to modern times but jagger works too
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Prince would be good to include since he was less classic masculine and more androgynous Or how about Freddy Mercury?
rej
rej‱9mo ago
Wut
rej
rej‱9mo ago
I'm trying to watch usher
Smiles
Smiles‱9mo ago
Next time can you guys go off the rails when it's not the superbowl
shootfilmnotbullets
shootfilmnotbullets‱9mo ago
Sports uniforms are def sexy
Echo-Ecco.ExE
Echo-Ecco.ExE‱9mo ago
speaking of sport uniforms I have always wanted to get into sportswear/sportcore. I'm a big fan of Adidas
yurt
yurt‱9mo ago
What the fuck is a sportcore
Echo-Ecco.ExE
Echo-Ecco.ExE‱9mo ago
A style/fashion aesthetic set around the designs popularised by sports and surrounding aspects of sports
sinbad
sinbad‱9mo ago
full kit wanker
artvandelayimporting
Showing up to the function in football pads
Echo-Ecco.ExE
Echo-Ecco.ExE‱9mo ago
It also vaguely goes into designer/fashion merchandise
rej
rej‱9mo ago
What did I miss
Echo-Ecco.ExE
Echo-Ecco.ExE‱9mo ago
Like I'm a big fan of Mighty/Anaheim Ducks merch despite not being a big NHL fan (mainly because I'm Aussie, not a big sport here)
tijelu
tijelu‱9mo ago
Trolling about genes and a discussion on whether leather jackets are sexy or if Marlon Brando is hot
rej
rej‱9mo ago
Marlon Brando is hot confirmed
OceanicEternity
OceanicEternity‱9mo ago
I can
sam
sam‱9mo ago
sorry to necro this but i want a suit that fits like this so bad
carrion
carrion‱9mo ago
totally fine lol, this suit altered the direction of my year so i get it
mewball
mewball‱9mo ago
im going to spend so much money on lemaire when this shit hits shelves its jove for me
sam
sam‱9mo ago
ping me in like 3 years when i can afford lemaire gonna be my kryptonite i have man swim shoulders proportions but i think i am juuuust small enough that a slouchy blazer could work though i could always exaggerate everything else so my shoulders match better male sexyness is when i cannot see a SINGLE one of their physical characteristics face neck and then a biiiiiiig box
yurt
yurt‱9mo ago
.
sam
sam‱9mo ago
wow me and iral are locked in đŸ€ž first skinny tie charlie day and now this
knappheit
knappheit‱9mo ago
:iral: We locked
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