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straw hole debate
correct-apricot•14mo ago
Infinite? WAS THAT AN INFINITE CHEF REFERENCE?
it’s 1
straw? WAS THAT A SANDBOXELS REFERENCE?
oh hey lvl 68
exotic-emerald•14mo ago
one really deep hole
two? WAS THAT A TPOT REFERENCE?
reason for 1 hole:
is this one or 2 holes
it’s 1
a donut has 1 hole
a tall donut has 1 hole
a straw is a tall donut
donut holes
@BATATA CAT explain why ∞ holes
dependent-tan•14mo ago
Bc technically infinity can be diffferent sizes some infinities are bigger than other so i chose a infinity equal to 1
https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928
you were almost correct
dependent-tan•14mo ago
🥲
hmm well maybe you can technically still be
dependent-tan•14mo ago
:Rue: you really think so
:moji_troll:
desmos wont allow for infinity to be plugged in, but, if it did, it would return 1
like-gold•14mo ago
It’s 1
inland-turquoise•14mo ago
yknow since atoms never touch there would be a HUGE number of holes that would be too much to count so can be known as infinity
maybe close to infinity but not truly
close to infinityhow like isn’t infinity meant to be endless
true
cloudy-cyan•14mo ago
0 : if bent into a toric shape
1 : if folded into a b shaped thing
2 : if straight, one on both ends
infinity: impossible, for obvious reasons
Infinity is not a massive number
It's a concept
one on both endsthat would be an opening not a hole
cloudy-cyan•14mo ago
hole=opening
hole =/= opening
in some context yes
regarding a straw no
a hole could be an opening
cloudy-cyan•14mo ago
still, it just means:
0: if flattened
1: if straight
2: if pinched in the middle
Infinite: same reason as before
but an opening could also not be a hole
a hole is a hollow place in something
a straw is a hollow
cloudy-cyan•14mo ago
but it doesn't matter anyway
thus it’s a hole
cloudy-cyan•14mo ago
infinity is the only impossible one
hey i never mentioned infinity
cloudy-cyan•14mo ago
this version treats them as holes, not openings
any objections?
the cylinder on the right totally has a hole
not a hole
if u dig in the ground, u make a hole, and it’s just like that
is this a hole?
like-gold•14mo ago
ja
is this a hole?
like-gold•14mo ago
i think it depends on whether. or not it is supposed to be there
like if i dig a hole in the ground then yes
but like a spoon doesnt have a hole even if it has an indent
my definition of a hole is it has to lead somewhere, it could be nothing but atleast somewhere
like-gold•14mo ago
i think the part surrounding it needs to be thicker than the part in it
optimistic-gold•14mo ago
i say “infinite” but it’s nerd time
so does this have a hole?
optimistic-gold•14mo ago
there are a lot of atoms in the straw, and atoms are usually connected in a hexagon formation (prob)
does a cup have a hole
a coffee mug has a hole
right where the handle is
is this a hole
optimistic-gold•14mo ago
fill a 2d space with a lot of balls with collisions for example
that is a pit
optimistic-gold•14mo ago
see the triangle spacing?
that is also the spacing between atoms
:moji_troll:
hmmm
i thought this was a straw hole debate
not a “what is a hole” debate
according to google, straws have 2 or 1 hole, depending on if you use formal/informal
optimistic-gold•14mo ago
so the amount of visible holes are 2 but the amount of all of the holes are (a/3) + 2 where a = the amount of atoms in a straw
here is my brand new cup i just bought from pretend-mart
does my cup have a hole in it now?
optimistic-gold•14mo ago
yes
1 hole to be exact
hmmm thats not good
i must get that hole fixed!
1 hole is meant to be there
the other isnt
is there any more holes in my cup?
also how tf do you fix a glass cup
optimistic-gold•14mo ago
that cup does not have 2 holes. pits are holes with a bottom, holes are pits that appear as pits in the front and opposite direction
pits are holes
holes are pits that appear as holes?
you cant define a word using itself
ah yes variable = variable
wait no
ok so
is this what we are settling on
yep
seems fair to me
does this have a hole in it?
i bring up: swiss cheese
question 1: are these holes that u see?
i cant tell if theres any "topological" holes
no that’s a cut
i think anybody would say swiss cheese has holes!
ok
and if it does, what about the holes inside, with no exits?
oops
how about now
crater
is a crater a hole?
probably
okay, well, how about now?
in ontomata, a hole is simply any lack of material in material
hm thats an interesting definition
i believe a straw would have 1 hole in ontomataverse
i think so too
its a singular cylinder shaped absence of material in the plastic
everything in ontomata exists because it is defined
hmm what would happen if you took a straw
and cut it down the middle, and flattened it into a sheet
it probably wouldnt be useful anymore
exotic-emerald•14mo ago
brain not braining..
oh my
it could still be useful if u folded the half in half
would this be a hole since usually the sphere is meant to be a bit taller than this
hmmmm
no
i think it needs some depth
otherwise everything has holes everywhere
hmm
that’s a face (side)
what about this little section here in my double-donut?
it has depth
it’s just 2 material combined
hmmmm id say it’s a hole
id say it’s a cut
interesting
but there’s nothing different from a cross section of a hole in the ground
it’s just a different dimension of hole
new thread: what the fuck is a hole
ontomatically, an absence of material in another material
topologically, a structure that prevents the object from being shrunk to a point
ontomacanonically
logically, its hard to define hole
since
things are complicated
a normal person would say a pit in the ground is a hole
but a normal person would also say a plate doesnt have holes
would a normal person say a bowl has a hole in it?
we need to find a normal person
like-gold•14mo ago
i just read this entire debat
rare-sapphire•14mo ago
If you drilled through the core of the earth, from 1 side to the other, there would be 2 possible perspectives, making it 2 holes or 1 very deep hole, meaning that a straw's holes depend on the perspective, if you look INTO the straw, then there is 1 hole, but if you look at the sides, then there are 2
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
it has topologically 1 hole
genetic-orange•14mo ago
That's not a thing lol
Cylinder has one hold
Yes
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
the one on the right?
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Yes
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
it doesn't
that's not a hole
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Yes it is
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
you can flatten the cylinder and you don't have it anymore
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Huh?
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
and if you flatten a torus the hole will not disappear
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Dafuqs a torus?
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
a doughnut
a bagel
genetic-orange•14mo ago
It becomes one hole
Instead of 2
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
it was always 1 hole
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Nuh uh
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
yuh uh
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Nuh uh
Straw has 2 holes
Tortus has 2 holes
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
if I were to shoot someone, would they have 2 bullet holes?
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Yes
If
It didn't get stopped
By inside of body
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
tens of thousands police reports are wrong then
genetic-orange•14mo ago
K?
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
that's a single bullet hole
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Appeal to not even an authority
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
it just went all the way through
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Nuh uh
It's 2
correct-apricot•14mo ago
it is a single bullet hole
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
appeal to science, topology is well studied
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Nuh the fuck uh
Science calls things that shouldn't be called things the things they shouldn't be called
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
no, you do that
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Nuh uh
For example
The word theory
Means different things
Between an official and unofficial context
Same with hole
correct-apricot•14mo ago
your brain is a theory
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Or like chemical
One that is true
It's a theory about how smart it is
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
that's why I said topologically
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Yea
I don't care about topolo-whatever
Hole is an opening
technically since i can not verify wether or not he (or his brain) actually exists, true
anyways this guy is clearly insane and should not be counted
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
it's a study about objects and how they deform so about as accurate as it gets
better than someone who said 0
actually that has some merit and makes some sense
correct-apricot•14mo ago
Enlighten me
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
it's a plane that is rolled up
correct-apricot•14mo ago
oh yeah
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
that creates a hole but still
some people might also not count it as a hole since its meant to be there
correct-apricot•14mo ago
i think its like
the amount of holes there is supposed to be + the amount added
jesus christ i can not figure out for the life of me how to get this eevee glass shader to act normally. anyways how many holes does it have
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
I think 3?
genetic-orange•14mo ago
Nuh uh
Nuh uh
If you ask a person on the street what a chemical is
And you ask a scientist what a chemical is
You will get 2 very different answers
If you ask (certain) mathematicians what a trapezoid is
And a random person on the street what a trapezoid is
You will get different answers
It's the same with hole
Nuh uh
It's 2
adverse-sapphire•14mo ago
yeah because a random person on the street is not as educated as the scientist
and out of all things you could've choose, you chose 2 things that have a really solid definition
is a bald spot a hole
like-gold•12mo ago
bro wha
rare-sapphire•12mo ago
do the tiny holes in your hair follicles count as holes or are they too small
those are pores
cloudy-cyan•12mo ago
in the topological sense, no