Terra Repository Discussion

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Noel•8/24/24, 11:40 PM

@uBlue Members Hi everyone, I wanted to create a thread to discuss potentially using Terra (https://terra.fyralabs.com/) as a repository for packages that we build for Universal Blue. I had a discussion with @Owen and @lea regarding this and I would like to list out a few benefits we discussed.
Pros:

Share packages between Universal Blue and Ultramarine, which would reduce potential engineering efforts
Have potentially more control over the infrastructure that we utilize for hosting and building packages
Cons:
Terra utilizes a different build system than COPR, so it would require us to adapt our current processes to that build system
Not an insignificant amount of effort to transition

I am not in the trenches building packages, so I wanted to hear some thoughts specifically from @Kyle Gospo regarding this as well as maybe @bsherman on the infrastructure side of things.

@Owen and the Terra team are definitely open to having an additional call if we think this is worth investigating to get more details on what this would look like.

Robert•8/24/24, 11:45 PM

Possibly an extremely stupid question, but these are still RPMs?

RRobert Possibly an extremely stupid question, but these are still RPMs?

Noel•8/24/24, 11:47 PM

yes

Owen•8/24/24, 11:47 PM

Bringing in @jade, @madomado, and @thirtyseven (June)

bsherman•8/24/24, 11:48 PM

I have an initial reaction... I don't want to make any more significant shifts short term, and by short term, I mean before F41

Robert•8/24/24, 11:48 PM

So on a consumption side, it's the same as adding rpm-fusion/negativo. Main difference is creating packages

RRobert So on a consumption side, it's the same as adding rpm-fusion/negativo. Main dif...

Noel•8/24/24, 11:48 PM

yes

Bbsherman I have an initial reaction... I don't want to make any more significant shifts s...

Noel•8/24/24, 11:48 PM

Yeah, that's a great point.

Bbsherman I have an initial reaction... I don't want to make any more significant shifts s...

Owen•8/24/24, 11:49 PM

Good point, could target F42

bsherman•8/24/24, 11:49 PM

I'm just getting back from holiday, I see a number of things which need attention for F41 to work properly ... priorities.

Bbsherman I'm just getting back from holiday, I see a number of things which need attentio...

Noel•8/24/24, 11:50 PM

yeah, I don't want to speak for you @Owen, but you were saying you guys got a lot to do for F41 as well

Owen•8/24/24, 11:52 PM

Haha yeah we do

Owen•8/24/24, 11:53 PM

Just wanting to get the ball rolling here for a near-future colab

Owen•8/24/24, 11:53 PM

And time to iron out logistics

Noel•8/24/24, 11:53 PM

Yeah, I think let's table it until after F41 is done.

j0rge•8/24/24, 11:57 PM

I thought we're getting rid of repos what's the tldr on more? Note I'm on mobile and in the airport

j0rge•8/24/24, 11:57 PM

So if I am short it means I'm moving, hope it doesn't come across as rude

Jj0rge I thought we're getting rid of repos what's the tldr on more? Note I'm on mobile...

Noel•8/24/24, 11:58 PM

My view on it would be we would standardize on Terra.

j0rge•8/24/24, 11:58 PM

What does that mean in practice

Noel•8/24/24, 11:58 PM

not have 1 million + Copr repos

j0rge•8/24/24, 11:58 PM

I agree that we should be removing repos

Owen•8/24/24, 11:59 PM

Sounds good, here is the proposal document with a lot more details https://outline.fyralabs.com/s/18d4511a-43de-4136-aa48-d5c56a8de41e

Proposal: Partnership with Universal Blue for Terra

Authors

Owen•8/25/24, 12:00 AM

If there's more technical and logistical questions, @madomado and @lea can jump in

j0rge•8/25/24, 12:01 AM

I don't get the mirror part, if it's in ci?

Jj0rge I don't get the mirror part, if it's in ci?

Noel•8/25/24, 12:01 AM

this is for the actual repos right @lea ?

neko•8/25/24, 12:02 AM

yes

neko•8/25/24, 12:02 AM

we publish to a real server and currently have a network of 2-3 mirrors besides our own in Germany

j0rge•8/25/24, 12:03 AM

All this looks dope but I'm unsure about taking on another dep and workload

neko•8/25/24, 12:03 AM

the majority of the work would be handled by us, or be things you're already doing in COPR

Owen•8/25/24, 12:03 AM

packages built in CI, actual RPMs are synced onto the mirror network

j0rge•8/25/24, 12:04 AM

Who is going to do all the integration and migration?

Jj0rge All this looks dope but I'm unsure about taking on another dep and workload

Owen•8/25/24, 12:05 AM

Yeah that's fair, end goal is less work for both parties due to us both maintaining some of the same packages/patches

j0rge•8/25/24, 12:05 AM

That might be more of a bazzite question than a ublue one

Jj0rge Who is going to do all the integration and migration?

Owen•8/25/24, 12:06 AM

We would help a lot with that, and show how our build system works

j0rge•8/25/24, 12:06 AM

Yeah but also we're behind in most of our basic maintenance right now

Jj0rge Who is going to do all the integration and migration?

neko•8/25/24, 12:06 AM

you'd need to write a ~5 line file to point the builder to the specfile and sources, we have premade functions for pulling sources from popular locations, after that things should be pretty low maintenance, you may have to bump the version occasionally but other than that it should be smooth sailing

j0rge•8/25/24, 12:09 AM

This is awesome don't get me wrong, just feels like it's moving us in the direction we explicitly said we're not moving to is all

OOwen Yeah that's fair, end goal is less work for both parties due to us both maintain...

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:24 AM

Sounds great to me, definitely easier than copr

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:24 AM

We should chat

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:25 AM

Would love to share effort and have a place for functional Mesa as well without relying on rpmfusion

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:45 AM

I have a list of probably 15 or 20 spec files that would have benefit to you we could share

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:45 AM

So we can chat about those too

Owen•8/25/24, 12:45 AM

Nice, yeah would like to see what Mado and Lea's thoughts are, definitely think further discussion in needed. Tabling until after F41 also doesn't seem like a bad idea, but again would like to see what the others think

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:47 AM

j0rge is more conservative then me with these sorts of changes

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:47 AM

I am more than happy to implement these tomorrow as long as there's a net benefit for both of us

KKyle Gospo I have a list of probably 15 or 20 spec files that would have benefit to you we ...

Owen•8/25/24, 12:47 AM

ooh, sure, I'll see what the others think

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:47 AM

So let's definitely chat

Kyle Gospo•8/25/24, 12:47 AM

I'm a little more involved with the RPM builds here anyway, other projects here don't have anywhere near as much of a need

Owen•8/25/24, 12:48 AM

lol gotcha, again should see what the Terra team says

KKyle Gospo I'm a little more involved with the RPM builds here anyway, other projects here ...

Owen•8/25/24, 12:48 AM

other projects being non-Bazzite?

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