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[2024-02-22 05:10:22 PM] : has anyone ever tried to safari Discord? I found some pretty good discords but it is very difficult to safari
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[2024-02-23 03:34:59 AM] : I've not tried discord but have Safari's YouTube comments. My guess is that its pretty similar? I took a slightly different approach but its fundamentally the same under the hood. In effect I treated each comment as its own post. So a bit like the recommendation for scanning forum post titles in the course. Then I wrote out the quotes I felt were relevant and then from them tried to dissect mainly worldview and jargon. Sometimes, in a comedic / sarcastic comment there is an implied pain, so I try and capture that too - but of course with the * that its my guess of a pain. For example, in my audience (racing drivers) you get a lot of "yeah, when I win the lottery" type comments. Or, comments like "well that's something I'll worry about when I'm a good driver." the pain being around a (surprising) lack of self-confidence etc. Hope that helps. It is hard(er) though for sure. And don't tell alex or amy but I don't always to this as formally as I should.... ;)
[2024-02-23 05:33:44 AM] : Good notes, Samir! But I think the additional difficulty in Discord/Matrix/etc is that most messages are highly interconnected.
You basically have threads in those chats, but you never know what the threads are and which messages belong to them, unless you read everything. Forums/Reddit give you a lot of structure "for free". In chats, I had to build that structure up in my head while reading. (Replies and actual threads help, but aren't used reliably, in my experience.)
Additionally, I found participation very difficult. There always seems to be someone willing to reply to any question instantly. I can't compete with my "check once or twice a day" style :smile:
If people here have figured out strategies for how to deal with this, I'd also be very interested!
[2024-02-23 05:50:36 AM] : Oh ok. As I say I've not used Discord in anger or for Safari. On the first to reply thing. My strategy for that is to say something like "hey OP, it looks like you've got some great answers already. I particularly agree with x from Bob and y from Jenny, because in my experience [this happened which you might also not have thought of] Could I ask you, what did you mean when you say [ABC] because I'm not sure what youre really trying to achieve, is it [thing x] ? "
[2024-02-23 10:56:11 AM] : Safari on Chat lessons are coming to 30x500 - it's a bit different in the ways folks have noticed, in particular the structure.
Samir's notes are solid!
The main thing I'd note is that when you don't get the structure for free, plugging keywords and phrases into search can be a great way to find conversations that might get missed just scrolling.
[2024-02-23 10:57:10 AM] : unlike structured discussions, you don't always get a clear start/end of a conversation, but you can still get a LOT.
[2024-02-23 10:58:16 AM] : Samir's answer to Hanno Braun's comment about other people being first is spot on. in fact, there's a lot of power in NOT being first. you get to see what other people say (or don't say) and build on that!
[2024-02-23 11:00:16 AM] : a big part of my process is looking for the kinds of conversations that happen, and look for clues/keywords for how that particular community starts discussions.
what terms/phrases do they use when asking questions, or asking for help? what questions come up often?
[2024-02-23 11:02:05 AM] : also: who are the regulars? what are their go-to interests and topics? what do they post that gets lots of interaction? what do they post that you agree with? what do they post that you disagree with? what do they post that leads to disagreements among each other? what recurring questions frustrate them?
all of these patterns can help you find the "shape" of a chat based discussion, or anywhere that doesn't have strict threads (including Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, or TIkTok comments, etc)
[2024-02-23 11:04:54 AM] : This is all great. Very thought provoking. Looking forward to seeing how you recommend approaching chats. As I say, its not where I've found my audience much but then I've also not looked. A sub set of my audience - gamers - live in discord so I should spend time there really.
[2024-02-23 11:27:51 AM] : Thank you, Samir and alex, this is some good stuff!
[2024-02-23 02:25:30 PM] : this is great!
[2024-02-24 02:44:06 PM] : Absolutely, great advice. Thanks everyone! :fire: