Aldehyde ketone 2

Identify P,Q,R
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iTeachChem
iTeachChem3mo ago
options plus attempt please :)
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
same as previous
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
just a gues on P
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Imine
Imine3mo ago
ans mila ?
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
nhi
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Yahan enamine banega for a hint Abhi I'll draw it out fir poora bhi bhej deta hun solution
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
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Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Dekh lo if you need to ask something Most of it should make sense though
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
this is P right?
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CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
so uske baad h2o kahan se aaya @Enamine
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Solution me hoga na H+ hai agar It won't be without H2O To stabilize that positive charge And the fact that there are two resonating structures made after that proton is pulled away Drives this forward
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
yeh kya baat hui
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Huh?
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
fir ques mention karta h+/h2o
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
H+ bina H2O ke kabhi dekha hai tumne? 😭
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
like in Q to R
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
H+ kya hota hai
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
eh woh baat alag hai 😭
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
H+ exists as the hydrate of that naked ion It doesn't stay as it is It's solvated by dozens of water molecules Yeah H3O+ is one of those moeities But multiple polyhydrates of that H+ are there in the solution
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
yeh hua kya
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CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
O ne lone pair dia H ko ??????
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Water ne base ka kaam kiya Acidic hai na vo position? Nahi
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
h3o+
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
H3O+
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
alr
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Yeah exactly This is a very clever strategy Enamines are more nucleophilic than general ketones Ya aldehydes (basically carbonyls)
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
wow. simply wow.
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
To reaction better hoti hai inhe banane ke baad alpha carbon ki
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
kya hi mechanism hai is this taught in amines ?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Haina
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
or ald ketone knowledge should be enough to think of this
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Mai aldehydes ketones ke around padhi thi if I remember correctly
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
acha got the mechanism
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Nucleophilic attack hi to hai C=O pe
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
will close once i note it in register han woh hai but still
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Sure sure Haan getting you Seems weird at first site Meri one of the favourite reactions me se hai lmao
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
lol
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Imines and Enamines My favourite functional groups ngl
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
waah
Imine
Imine3mo ago
acidic workup type thing nhi ho skti?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Acidic workup agar protic acid ke saath hai To usme water to hoga hi Neat H2SO4 kahan se laayoge
Imine
Imine3mo ago
oh haan 💀 mb
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Dw happens Questions usually don’t mention details Thoda maan ke chalna hi padta hai kya karein They should but they don’t
Imine
Imine3mo ago
true
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
“H+” kya hota hai
Imine
Imine3mo ago
ikrr 😭
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Khaali H+ lmao Kuch to source hoga We good on this one? @hardcoreisdead
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
yepp
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Close it then I guess
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
will do it once i note it in register
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Sure
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP3mo ago
+solved @Enamine
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