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What's corey house now? 😭
See halide reacting with lithium
um some sort of rxn involving this CuLi thing and then next step me R-X
It replaces Br with Li
Oky
Which is a source of R-
Yeah
How does that even go with CuI?
Ohhh ohkay
That R-
It becomes R2Cu
R2CuLi rather
Gillman reagent
:Saul_Goodman:
What is even happening here
Which is also a source of R-
But a rather soft one
corey house oml kitne smy baad dekha
u dont know 😭
Radicals forming and joining nothing much
Genuinely had no idea 😭🙏
So after this
Can you please write and explain:shocked:
Uhhhhhh
I'll need to go to my tab 😭🙏
Wait
This is the only rxn jo mene ratta mara hai product bana ne ka:coolfrog:
it is used to make asymmetrical alkane jab hum na wala method na kar sake
Aram se sir
Tbh this one ka mechanism is very out of the scope
shyd islie ratne ko bola gaya tha mujhe
Mai bana dunga
Par tumhe yakeen nahi hoga ki aise hota hai
:uhh:
I guess
ye chiz basically, mech mat karo
apne usme nhi hai scope ka
maine ik vaar dekha tha sar ghum gya tha
Basically wurtz ka chhota bhai
Uhhhh
Mene yhi to rat rakha hai Ki R-R’ banado khatam 😭
kinda
Ek to ye carbon double karne ko padi hai sabko
Kyun bhai
matlab u can think ki jo bhi alkyl halide se connected hai aur culi se hai vo apas me bond bana lete hai
maine aise hi yaad kiya hai
hamare teacher ne itni vaar karvaya tha ye
Hmm kar sakte ho yaad
merko pura yaad hai
I'll still give the mechanism for the one jo originally poocha tha
Thanks btw for breaking me out of doomscrolling instagram
I might actually change and do some work now
Is this not in our syllabus?
I mean the mech
Mechanism is not most likely
pehle bata dete mai apne doubt me tag kar deti
nope
mech isnt
Doomscrolling bata ke nahi hoti na dost
I think this will form
point
Actually no I guess.......
yes exactly
what
Are wah ye to exact solution dia hai😭
Bas samjha do ab hua kese
R2CuLi provides a soft nucleophile R-
It should do SN2 prime vala thing
what
@Real potato knows what I'm talking about
:haha:
Yeah
had hai
mujhe bata do to kya hoga
:aah:
I'm doubtful 'cause usne bola solution me simple SN2 diya hai
Book ka solution bheju?
@Prachi do you know soft hard nucleophile and stuff?
Bhejo
9va
ys
Huh, what's that
wth is BuLi
,rotate
exactly
Vo mistake lag rahi hai
corey house
Li se karte hain directly
Yeah it is
Organolithium banane ke liye
Something you learn in aldehydes and ketones usually
Organometallic compound like Ch3Mgbr?
aise bhi hota hai
yeah kinda
Ahmm mujhe draw karna padega
try karo
mai book me check karti
corey house pe kya diya hai
aisa chala to apko kisi din doubt class leni pdegi @Enamine :aah:
I mean yahan or kya hota hai? 😭🙏
for riyal
Are i mean usme Vc me
ampi me lungi mai
I haven't seen this
Online bhi check kiya nahi mila
Accha vaise
We need doubt solving and problem solving sessions for oc 🙏
Mere college ke exams tum de dena 🙏
Differential and Integral Calculus
sahi baat ha
acha han aap to clg me ho:Saul_Goodman:
Sequence and Series
oh shi
Ye sab kya padh rhe aap clg me
Chemical Thermodynamics
kya chapter ha aaaha
Molecular Spectroscopy
Mera poora course hai 3 mahine ka ek 🙏
1,4 jaise cheez kyu nhi hui
clayden me nhi hai exact ye process usme corey ka dusra dikh rha
Aap to bio wale the itni maths kese jhel rhe :aah:
cute
Exactly mai vahi soch raha
Cu nucleophiles are rather soft
unless integration
yea
Maine maths le li bhai college aake
Or pehle bhi hybrid hi tha mai
Dono kar leta hun 🗣️
clayden ka pdf send kr skte, ncert mein theory jo ha vo pdh rkhi ha classes mei already
himanshu pandey hai right? it sometimes has wrong ans too
Ans shi hai
oh
Ans me dikkt ni hai
Please don't read it rn 🙏
bhyi google se nikal lo bahut bada hai pdf
Tum saari padhne lag jayoge
...mai to kar rhi hu thoda bahut
Extra mat padhna
Usme bohot hai
pta hai
Vo MSc tak padhte hain log
Theek h fir calculus k doubts bhi aarhe hai:aah:
iske soln niklae to tag karna
mai jaari phy kare
vishal sir ke clayden wale lectures dekh skte ho
Karo karo
baad me
Ye still better approach hai kyunki teacher ko pata hai kya batana hai kya nahi
@Enamine iska kuch mile to batana tab tk ill leave
yea
check krlunga chlo
Dekho I feel like hona chahiye SN2 prime
But 'cause stability bhi nahi badh rahi alkene ki to I'm kinda skeptical too
Sochta hun
umhm
MasterOc ki site par nhi hai kya corey house?
shyd waha kuch mil jae
Jo reactions lab me nahi hoti vo nahi daalte 🙏
wdym ye lab me nhi hoga?
no
Ye vala ho Jayega shayad but mixed products
🗣️another reason to hate oc
Not practical
Acha acha
Better ways hain same kaam karne ke
Bhai evolve ho jaate hain na time ke saath
Ab nahi karte
:spatula:
Chalo tum padho jaake
Yup
Mai dekhta ise
Ping kar dunga
Thankx
dekho na
bro. @Real potato what was your doubt again? is it sorted? xD
Nah actually not sir
im still stuck at this corey house thing
Okay so I saw it again
See
@Real potato @Sephrina
You guys are clear until the formation of R2CuLi right?
(ofc mechanistically it's complicated but you get it right?)
Doubt is why no SN2 prime as R2CuLi is a soft nucleophilic reagent
Yahi hai na?
Yeah
ji
yaar revise karne do
mai reread karke aati
So actually SN2 prime kyun hoti hai primarily?
Jyada stable alkene ban rahi ho tab
Ha
Yahan stability me koi jyada farak nahi hai
Pehli baat
ek min wo photo dekhne do bohot upar nikal gyi
Doosra
Conjugated product ban Raha hai eventually
Dekho lo koi ni lol
repastinggg
Themks
,rotate
Theek baat hai
Isiliye direct SN2 prefer hogi rather than SN2 prime
ab ye kya bala hai
Agar stablity me zyada diffrence hota to fir
Ham prime karate
Maine aaloo ji ko bheja tha
Bhejta hun tumhe bhi ruko
hnn
SN2 prime ka explanation draw kiya tha
dekho hum abhi kinetics ke chaakar me dimag se organic phek nikalle hai
Aaram se koi ni
Ye nahi padhate neet me usually
Kinetics is ez:nice:
Ye to batao sir @Enamine
hum to samjhne ke liye karte hai
me no know math
kinetics me maths kaha se aagyi:aah:
acha wo log wgera me plm aa skti hai thodi ig
hn
khair lets stick to chem
Tab SN2 prime favour hoti
smj me nhi aaya utna ache se
But tbh corey house ke sawal aise dekha nai mene jisme major difference aara ho stability me
Dekho koi nucleophile ho agar
Uske paas do option hain SN2 fashion me attack karne ke
Hmm tabhi fir SN2 hogi
Although isme bhi thoda issue hai
Mujhe confirm karna hai kisi se
oky okay
okkk
sn2 ke bhi types
Either vo double bond pe daale electrons
Vo aage leaving group ko kick kar de
Yaad hai jaisa prasan ke doubt me tha?
Double bond ne leaving group ko kick kar diya tha
Just because oxidation ho paa raha tha
Usi type se yahan agar stability badh rahi ho
Tab double bond leaving group ko kick kar dega
Samajh aaya @Sephrina bua ji?
nhi yaar
pta nhi dimag nhi chl rha
smaj nhi aara kaha kaise kya hora
Koi baat nahi
Ise kuch der baad padhna
mai isko raat me revisit karungi ik vaar aur
Dm kar deta hun vo page tumhe
hn thnks
@Real potato
Close mat karna ise
dekho
Isi ki baat kar raha tha mai
ik question
Hmm?
yaha is carbon me kyu addtion hua?
niche me kyu nhi?
Vahi samjhaya tha maine
Hard Soft Sites hoti hain
It is actually based on electron density kahan kitni jyada hai
Btw @Real potato ko bata dun
SN2 or SN2 prime se same answer aa raha hai
Hum gadhe hain
Hum hi ne notice nahi kiya
aisa keh sakte hai ki
kyunki upar wala c jyda hindered tha? to vaha addition prefer nhi hoga
Nahi isme electronic reasons hote hain
Tum master organic ka article padhna
Bhejunga tumhe
Aldehydes ketones padhogi acche se tab bhi clear hoga
Agar na samajh aaye to mai samjha dunga
AAGHHH
mujhe na ab gussa aa rha
10-20 din school se chutti leke hardcore organic karna hai taki sab ho gye
frustration hori adha smj hi nhi aata
Are yaar shaanti rakho 😭
Mai sahi bol raha hun
Tumhari organic ki aadhe se jyada pareshani aldehydes ketones karte hi khatam ho jayegi
Vo acche se kar lena
yaha alc me phasi hu kabse
aghhh
Aage badho
kya karu kya na smj nhi ataa
Perfection nahi aayegi abhi
Jitna aa raha hai karti chalo
perfection nhi
mtlb aata hai just aache se revision
Ye doubts ignore kar diya karo jo na samajh aaye
mech ke saath
toughh
Hmm pata hai yaar mushkil hai
Par time limited hai
Tumhe syllabus bhi cover karna jaruri hai na
vahi
Aldehydes ketones karogi
Ye sab cover ho jayega usme
Yakeen nahi hota to hardcore se pooch Lena
Aldehydes ketones ke baad takleef khatam ho jaati hai almost
next month tak karna hoga kisi bhi tarah
Bas ye part jaldi jaldi badha do
hopefully
Ispe time mat do jyada
Ye sab aage repeat hi hone vala hai
ok
Aldehydes ketones me
Amines me
Ye sab repeat hoga
end me rha to repeat kar lungi
ye sab pehle kyu nhi pta hota
Mujhe bhi nahi pata tha
hume doubt thread me nhi baat karni chiye
Ye kya turn mara apne:psyduck:
Maine bhi bohot late ki thi organic
True 😭
Thora sa me bahar h raat ko aake dekhta hu kya naya discover hogya yaha
Jo Maine bola logic sahi hai
Par dono se karke dekho to same product aa raha hai
Unhone question ye soch ke banaya tha
Ki koi hamare jaisa bhi hoga
Jo SN2 prime karayega
Ki hame sn2 prime ni ata hoga
Ha exactly
But jo logic hai wo dusre que me to sahi lagega na
Agar stability me diffrence rha
To kyu ni krege sn2 prime
Photo bheji hai ek
Aa jayegi tab dekhna
Haan tab jarur karenge
Oky okyy
Mera internet itna bekaar kyun hai
Ek photo nahi jaa rahi
Photo gayi hi nahi kya
Ab chali gayi
Shukar hai
Isme dekho aaloo bhai @Real potato
Difference dikh raha hai koi?
I hope na dikh raha ho 😭
🥔
Ruko dekhra
is this related to electron density or the reactivity because of unstability of that part of ring ? because of difference it electron distribution?
andhere me teer hai
Dikh to nhi raha
ddaantna mat
Same to hai
Andhere me teer hi tha ye to
Fr
😭
itna glt hai
Vahi exactly
batao na
Phinally samjh gaya
phenolly
Ab me chen se physics kr sakta hu:wah:
Haha even better
Electrons density se related hai yes
Actually dekho to understand this
Net Gaya mera
Net Gaya
ud gya
@Sephrina apne wo battery wala que ni kia abhi tk?
Ek analogy deta hun
hn kar liya na
Hostel me wifi hoga na😭
kachra hai
Vahi nahi chal raha
Close krdena fir
Isiliye khud ke net se connect kiya abhi
kar diya shyd
:Saul_Goodman:
Dekho @Sephrina
hn
You know how boric acid shows its acidic behaviour?
H3BO3
hn alc me tha
Vo khud H+ nahi leta kabhi
it loses proton connects to the c where the halo was
Vo paani ka OH- khinch leta hai
Naahhh
H3BO3
oh vo bh3 tha ok soorry
iska nhi pta
i know ki isme 3 -OH attach rhta hai
Ye vaala
nhi iska nhi pta
So ye aise kaam karta hai
Ye khud H nahi deta
Isne apna kaam kisi or se karwa liya
Just because B(OH)4- a bhery stable complex
Ab isse kya seekhna ko mila batayo?
@Sephrina
ye H+ na bhi deke acidic hai
Yes
kyunki H+ production ik tarike se karvaya
To aise hi
Agar stable species ban rahi ho
To electrons ka flow indirect bhi ho sakta hai
woah
Ab vo vali photo dekho Jo SN2 prime vaali bheji thi
lekin ye B(OH)4- stable kyu hai?
dont tell me block padhna hoga
ik min
Boron electron deficient tha
ye?
Bichare ki poori kami poori kardi
Back bonding daal ke
Naah explanation
but yaha anion bana na
Dm me bheja jo
to ye stable hoga?
is it like AlCl4?
Solvate bhi ho jayega na
Saara H+ gher lenge
ok this
Yes
Isme dekho
Final alkene jyada stable hai na?
More substituted
okk
Nucleophile aaya
Usne indirectly electrons push kar diye
To move towards stability
to ye ik tarika hai jaha without rearrangement of carbocation more stable banta hai?
to har vaar kyu nhi hota
Har baar leaving group ke bagal me double bond bhi to nahi hota
to jab hoga tab sn2 prime hoga
Carbocation se jayegi yahi reaction agar nucleophile weak ho
ya udhr bhi koyi factor hoga
Tab SN1 hogi
Strong nucleophile or alkene ki stability badh rahi ho
Bas ye factor
thik vo distinction alag chiz hai
yaha abhi Sn2 ka jaan nan hai
har jagah stability
aur Sn2 prime me hum ik general koi style hota hai ya
rxn dependent
Yahi vaale ko SN2 prime bolte hain
substitiuon ke tarike me
Side me koi pi electrons hon agar
Jo assist kar sakein
While i appreciate the time and effort all of you are putting in on this, might i suggest to ditch this q and move on? :P
for your wellness, if nothing else :D
and move generalquestions to general;
lets keep things focussed here, taaki baad me agar koi search kare unki life aasan ho :) I know we are all trying to help but please stay sane while doing so hahaha.
Ahmm
I actually said SN2 prime wasn't relevant to neet but she wanted to know so I continued 🙂
yeah we will sorry sir
I guess yeah fair
Sorry for that sir
general please
:)
yeah sir will take that in account from now on
Yes sure sir
@Sephrina close krdu?
hn
+solved @Enamine
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