Wouldn't aluminum the better choice? The Rhino is already kinda heavy, compared to a "normal" base,

Wouldn't aluminum the better choice? The Rhino is already kinda heavy, compared to a "normal" base, plus the higher forces needed to operate it, that will put a lot of stress on the table/Mt fitting. I would expect to save as much weight as possible.

JJaeger Wouldn't aluminum the better choice? The Rhino is already kinda heavy, compared ...

walmis•1/6/23, 2:59 PM

I think I can optimize the weight a bit with center cutouts

Haums•1/6/23, 3:11 PM

Does anyone have experience with using the base with condor 2?

Dddrake1984 Tho, I might mount mine differently

Vulcan•1/6/23, 3:13 PM

What dont you like about it that you would change? Seems pretty ideal unless you wanted to use a shorter extension because the long extension reduces the forces too much?

Reed•1/6/23, 4:18 PM

Oh I like that. I’ve got an extruded aluminum frame and this will work a treat.

HHaums Does anyone have experience with using the base with condor 2?

Merlins51•1/6/23, 4:28 PM

Yes, the Rhino works out of the box with Condor 2. You get stick movement with trim, stall buffet and possibly some stick force modulation with speed. But that's it. No speed-brake shake or ground roll/impact rumbles. It's not flashy, but it works.

Dddrake1984 Tho, I might mount mine differently

Frenchy•1/6/23, 4:53 PM

That looks fantastic!

MMerlins51 Yes, the Rhino works out of the box with Condor 2. You get stick movement with ...

FlatSpin•1/6/23, 5:54 PM

will those effects be added at some point?

FFlatSpin will those effects be added at some point?

Merlins51•1/6/23, 6:12 PM

That would be a question for the Condor developers. The Rhino presumably simply takes the force feedback signals from Condor and implements them. I think Walmis was talking about potentially developing some dynamic effects modelling that would read in things like airspeed, g-force etc. that would provide effects to games that didn't have FFB outputs, but that's probably pretty low on the priority list.

FlatSpin•1/6/23, 6:14 PM

I meant for DCS, I know the Brunner solution seems to have some of those "immersion" effects. My apologies, that was a better question for Walmis.

Merlins51•1/6/23, 6:15 PM

Ah, right. DCS has all of those, but it's dependent on the module developers which they put in. Am sure there's a thread somewhere in this discord that summarizes which effects are in which modules. The F-14, notably, is really rather lovely and they seem to have put everything in that.

MMerlins51 Ah, right. DCS has all of those, but it's dependent on the module developers wh...

FlatSpin•1/6/23, 6:16 PM

Understood

Wwalmis Test batch of MT mounting plates for the Rhino have arrived! 😏

Deleted User•1/6/23, 6:34 PM

Beefier thsn most throttle plates, what a beast!

Boggy•1/6/23, 7:52 PM

So if a DCS module hasn't got any FFB coded does the stick just behave like a normal spring style joystick?

walmis•1/6/23, 8:00 PM

Yes plus the additional features you can adjust - spring, damper, hw trim etc

Wwalmis Test batch of MT mounting plates for the Rhino have arrived! 😏

amadeus•1/6/23, 9:51 PM

oh shii, do you know when this should be released?

amadeus•1/6/23, 9:51 PM

hoping to get an order in for that prior to actually getting the rhino xD

VVulcan What dont you like about it that you would change? Seems pretty ideal unless you...

ddrake1984•1/6/23, 10:15 PM

Getting into the pit, there is no floor and depending on the height of the extension, it may need to be lower

Phantom•1/6/23, 11:30 PM

I have been bugging ED for years about lack of consistency in FFB implementation, some mods have had better FFB implementation than the official content, and that to me is just sad, as the problem was only understood and felt by a small minority of players I guess they just haven't ever got around to fixing things properly.

gitbse•1/6/23, 11:45 PM

There also hasn’t been a market for actual ffb sticks …. So a lot of developers probly barely think about it

Magpie•1/7/23, 4:49 AM

Yeah we almost need to have a couple of developer rhinos so they can use them and post them around. I bet, apart from heatblur, they've never even used a ffb stick.

MMerlins51 Yes, the Rhino works out of the box with Condor 2. You get stick movement with ...

mechsicko•1/7/23, 5:00 AM

Are you sure about that? Condor 1 is as old as MSFF II and I've been playing it since then, jumping back and forth to real gliders. I haven't played C2 in a long time cause their VR support sucks and instead of fixing it they're working on C3 for years. I remember the effects being pretty good though, definitely loads up with airspeed, airbrake rumble and ground fx for the wheel and even the controls getting moved around in winds on the runway when not in motion.. am I misrembering here?

leninjahd•1/7/23, 11:16 AM

How many people are currently on the waitlist and how long would it roughly take to get one to germany if I would order now?

leninjahd•1/7/23, 11:17 AM

!status

Lleninjahd !status

VPforceBot•1/7/23, 11:17 AM

Hey @leninjahd,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0033 on 2023-01-04
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 88 days, median is 109 days, max is 177 days
29 Rhinos are shipped in total

MLNL•1/7/23, 11:20 AM

Use the VPforce bot so send a private message with the command !info hereyourmailadres it shows your waiting place

walmis•1/7/23, 11:22 AM

The wait list is quite long > 200 atm

walmis•1/7/23, 11:23 AM

Working hard to fix that

leninjahd•1/7/23, 11:27 AM

Is there also a wait list for the Motor Kits?

walmis•1/7/23, 11:36 AM

No, those are in stock

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:36 AM

How do we know where we are in the list?

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:37 AM

Wait

walmis•1/7/23, 11:37 AM

DM @VPforceBot private message with the command !info here@yourmail.address!info here@yourmail.address

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:37 AM

Im an idiot

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:37 AM

I just saw it lol

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:38 AM

231 before mine!

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:38 AM

That sounds like an awful lot @walmis

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:39 AM

Do you have plans to increase production etc?

walmis•1/7/23, 11:39 AM

yeah, working on it

Dddrake1984 Tho, I might mount mine differently

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:40 AM

How did you find a 80/20 flight sim rig that didnt break the bank? All i can find are racing ones.

Wwalmis yeah, working on it

superbird1011•1/7/23, 11:40 AM

What is it that you need? Just finding out how or the cost of it too?

walmis•1/7/23, 1:47 PM

@Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner
Firmware hotfix released: v1.0.13-4v1.0.13-4
http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

1. Fixed a potential firmware crash due to the AMD board workaround that could happen on board startup

1. Fixed a potential firmware crash due to the AMD board workaround that could happen on board startup

Wwalmis @Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner Firmware hotfix released: `v1.0.13-4` http://vp...

peachmonkey•1/7/23, 4:27 PM

hi, @walmis , is this related to the "Effect 7" crash in DCS due to unacknowledged USB packet in AMD usb controllers?

peachmonkey•1/7/23, 4:28 PM

I have a X570 A4 board and DCS does indeed crash when that effect kicks in (damaged bird, shaking). Maybe I'll try a dedicated pci USB board, someone posted here it helps.

Ppeachmonkey hi, @walmis , is this related to the "Effect 7" crash in DCS due to unacknowledg...

walmis•1/7/23, 4:33 PM

This is a fix for the fix

but yeah, since 1.0.13-3 I did workaround the issue with AMD boards.

Wwalmis This is a fix for the fix 😄 but yeah, since 1.0.13-3 I did workaround the issue...

peachmonkey•1/7/23, 4:41 PM

thank you for the fix, so do I need the pcie-usb board for this fix to work? Or the fix is for the actual amd mobo usb controller issue, i.e. it'll work with the built-in mobo controller ?

walmis•1/7/23, 4:41 PM

No, it should address the issue on AMD boards

peachmonkey•1/7/23, 4:42 PM

sweet and awesome! Thank you so much.. this issue has been driving me nuts. Coming back home in a torn up aircraft, leaking/shaking all, only for the game to crash right before the landing..

Kreytfire•1/7/23, 4:43 PM

I know, many are waiting for their Rhino and impatience is not good for the heart

but in the average scenario, how many bases do you expect do get out this year..

KKreytfire I know, many are waiting for their Rhino and impatience is not good for the hear...

walmis•1/7/23, 5:00 PM

https://tenor.com/view/uncomfortable-awkward-kid-looking-what-to-do-gif-5056061

Tenor

walmis•1/7/23, 5:02 PM

Well, I aim at least 100 this year

Wouldn't aluminum the better choice? The Rhino is already kinda heavy, compared to a "normal" base,

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