Yet the team who did the MB-339 mod (not tried retail version) showed exactly what is possible if you hook up all the bits the FFB code supports "already", and that support is quite exhaustive and detailed and enjoyable, it just seems many 3rd party developers can't be bothered to implement it properly, or lack the knowledge, the 339 mod guys even made ED's implementation look lazy by comparison, this should come as no surprise given that ED still don't have consistent ground collisions working in the Caucus with its own products tho?