C#•3y ago

❔ Must read books!?

What are some books that have really helped you become better skilled?

ero•3/5/23, 5:35 PM

reading books will never ever ever make you better

ero•3/5/23, 5:35 PM

everyone learns differently, i guess

ero•3/5/23, 5:35 PM

but you get better so much easier by just doing

KidKai25OP•3/5/23, 5:35 PM

@mtreit what do you say?

Eero reading books will never ever ever make you better

KidKai25OP•3/5/23, 5:36 PM

I doubt this though.

ero•3/5/23, 5:36 PM

yeah i exaggerated

KidKai25OP•3/5/23, 5:36 PM

it's alright haha

canton7•3/5/23, 5:39 PM

C# in depth, CLR via c#, domain driven design

Aaron•3/5/23, 5:42 PM

$aaronbooks

AAaron $aaronbooks

MODiX•3/5/23, 5:42 PM

https://github.com/Windows10CE/csharp-resources/blob/main/books.md

AAaron $aaronbooks

KidKai25OP•3/5/23, 5:45 PM

Almost half of them have been marked as not read yet :D. But thanks.

Aaron•3/5/23, 5:46 PM

yeah, cause I don't get to read much

Aaron•3/5/23, 5:46 PM

but it's all the books I've been recommended

Eero reading books will never ever ever make you better

mtreit•3/5/23, 5:55 PM

I am living proof this isn't true

mtreit•3/5/23, 5:55 PM

I'm self taught mostly from books

KKidKai25 @mtreit what do you say?

mtreit•3/5/23, 5:59 PM

I think everyone could benefit from reading some of the software engineering classics

Programming Pearls is one of my favorite books of all time. Highly recommended.

Code Complete is great. I prefer the first edition but the second is fine too.

The Mythical Man Month...everyone should probably read that.

Coder's At Work is awesome.

mtreit•3/5/23, 6:00 PM

The Pragmatic Programmer is another one.

mtreit•3/5/23, 6:00 PM

The C Programming Language for an example of almost perfect technical writing in action.

KKidKai25 What are some books that have really helped you become better skilled?

Groophy•3/5/23, 6:19 PM

Maybe can helpful

page17.pdf3.61MB

Groophy•3/5/23, 6:19 PM

I hate to read books but,

Groophy•3/5/23, 6:19 PM

clean code is important point of coding

mtreit•3/5/23, 6:31 PM

I'm personally completely against the Clean Code approach to programming (I feel the same way about Design Patterns) but everyone should judge for themselves.

GGroophy clean code is important point of coding

The king of kings•3/5/23, 6:37 PM

I don't feel that interested either, there are just sooo many dame pages and you need to find your problem among all these pages

samuelp.exe•3/5/23, 7:11 PM

I just ordered Head First C# from Amazon

canton7•3/5/23, 7:29 PM

Yeah I didn't particularly get on with the Clean X series. I think design patterns have value, not so you can pick the "right" one from the catalogue, but so that you can use the right name for the thing you're doing, which helps convey what you're doing to others

Mmtreit I'm personally completely against the Clean Code approach to programming (I feel...

LPeter1997•3/5/23, 7:31 PM

Is this because you've also read uncle Bobs books and found that they write absolutely horrid code

LLPeter1997 Is this because you've also read uncle Bobs books and found that they write abso...

mtreit•3/5/23, 7:34 PM

I've watched his videos and leafed through his books. I am not a fan but I know a lot of people follow his approach.

LPeter1997•3/5/23, 7:34 PM

I mean, as long as people follow his advice and not actually the style of code he writes, that's fine by me

LPeter1997•3/5/23, 7:35 PM

But IME the snippets he presents are questionable at best, at least they were in CC

Pibbles•3/5/23, 7:54 PM

yeah I got Clean Code, I just assumed it would be a pretty easy read since I'm not new or anything, but then the book is like this is the 100% correct way and if you use more than 2 arguments in a method you are an idiotthis is the 100% correct way and if you use more than 2 arguments in a method you are an idiot (not a quote)
I stopped reading it after that, you have to take that book with a bucket of salt

KKidKai25 What are some books that have really helped you become better skilled?

Pibbles•3/5/23, 7:55 PM

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Designing-Data-Intensive-Applications-Reliable-Maintainable/dp/1449373321/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2P9W7LQDSJLGT&keywords=designing+data-intensive+applications&qid=1678046091&sprefix=designing+d%2Caps%2C91&sr=8-1

Designing Data-Intensive Applications: The Big Ideas Behind Reliabl...

Designing Data-Intensive Applications: The Big Ideas Behind Reliable, Scalable, and Maintainable Systems

Pibbles•3/5/23, 7:55 PM

read that, good stuff

PPibbles https://www.amazon.co.uk/Designing-Data-Intensive-Applications-Reliable-Maintain...

mtreit•3/5/23, 8:01 PM

Great book if you are working on large distributed systems and the like

PPibbles yeah I got Clean Code, I just assumed it would be a pretty easy read since I'm n...

LPeter1997•3/5/23, 8:01 PM

There are worse atrocities in that book (https://qntm.org/clean)
General advices would actually be generally good, but a bit extremist and lack explanation. Like

if you use more than 2 arguments in a method you are an idiot

Obviously not, Roslyn (the official fkin C# compiler) is full of methods taking 10+ args, but in some context, this advice would hint at something actually decent, which is discovering data-clumps

LLPeter1997 There are worse atrocities in that book (<https://qntm.org/clean>) General advic...

Pibbles•3/5/23, 8:03 PM

yeah some of the advice is really good, but you have to wade through a sea of perfectionism to get there

Pibbles•3/5/23, 8:04 PM

not to mention I bought it from amazon, if you're going to buy Clean Code, do not buy from amazon - the printing is totally ruined

mtreit•3/5/23, 8:05 PM

That likely has nothing to do with buying it on Amazon.

mtreit•3/5/23, 8:05 PM

Amazon is just a match-maker these days.

Pibbles•3/5/23, 8:05 PM

it's the vendor that uses amazon

Pibbles•3/5/23, 8:06 PM

I don't know if there are other amazon vendors that sell it, but the most voted one is bad, don't use that one

mtreit•3/5/23, 8:06 PM

Vendor's don't print the books

Ben•3/5/23, 8:06 PM

How about audible? fk reading is hard lol

Mmtreit Vendor's don't print the books

Pibbles•3/5/23, 8:06 PM

well idk then, I'm pretty sure if you get it from waterstones, it's great

LPeter1997•3/5/23, 8:07 PM

Eh yeah I've been bitten by printed copies on eBay as well, so Idk. It's generally hard to find good quality at a decent price that does international shipping. None of the books that interest me come even near the country I live in...

BBen How about audible? fk reading is hard lol

LPeter1997•3/5/23, 8:07 PM

Figures are really hard with audiobooks

Esa•3/6/23, 1:22 PM

Domain Driven DesignDomain Driven Design and Functional Programming in C# (second edition)Functional Programming in C# (second edition) both were really good. You don't need to employ functional programming to derive value from that book - it teaches you different ways to approach problem solving, or to even just think about problems, which I found really useful