I've got some ideas of what I might add in addition for further immersion, but for now I'll be conte
I've got some ideas of what I might add in addition for further immersion, but for now I'll be content with the Rhino + VR
DIssue is that not all a/c have the same telem effects, there needs to be a sheet created that calls out every effect and what planes have them
JBelt tension system for example sounds amazing, especially since it could be configured to work with racing as well
PApart from the ultimate end goal of having a full 6dof motion rig I'd be happy with either 3x ~40" monitors or VR with; the Rhino, jet seat, butt kickers & a seat mover to top it off.
JHave you seen the recent NextLevelRacing seat pad?
Pyou mean not all aircraft send the same telem by default?
JPyeah I have & I've been considering getting that instead of the jetseat
JThe Jetseat is by Andre right
Pconsidering the extra hassle in getting a jetseat now days, plus the fact I'll have warranty in country at a store like JB Hi Fi or something
Pseen on forums ppl have got the HF8 working with the same software as the jetseat & butt kickers use, can't recall the name atm
Pso you don't need game specific software from NLR, just reads the telem like the jetseat does
JSimShaker?
Pyeah, SimShaker for Aviators I think
Pit's the aviation specific version
JThe Hf8 is just a rebranded Realteus and has all the exact same features, + any new software stuff NLR added
JWhatever I end up doing for more immersion I want it to be compatible with both flying and racing
PI was thinking when I start getting some decent sim racing gear I might just buy another cheap gaming chair like I have & just swap out chairs when going from flight to racing. I have my throttle mounted to the side arm of my 'flight' chair & have the mount on the right for a side stick or hosas for space sim.
JAs someone in the process of figuring out how I want to add flight to my racing cockpit it can definitely be a pain to merge the two together. Definitely making compromises for both and you end up with something somewhat suboptimal across the board, but it can be super convenient too with minimal time or effort on your part to change from one to the other
Pactually this made me think I need to sort out a floor mount for my truck sim gear shifter & jump back into some ETS2 
I love driving through Europe listening to the radio stations of the country I'm in
I love driving through Europe listening to the radio stations of the country I'm in JIf I had the physical space I would have a dedicated flight sim cockpit and dedicated racing sim cockpit, and on flight sim I'd have at least a semi instrument panel dash (which isn't really achievable with a racing wheel mounted on the cockpit)
PWell one way I was wondering about merging flight & racing is if I ever get to build a ffb yoke, via VPforce motor kit ofc, I was thinking if it'd be possible to build it with the idea of being able to attach a wheel to too. though it wouldn't be a direct drive wheel 
maybe not then
maybe not thenJBest way would be to have it mounted in such a way to easily swap out yoke for racing
PYeah if you add things like instrument panels it can get a bit harder I guess, I'd love one of WW's F-18 sets!
JMe too
JI'd love a panel for each of the major planes I fly
Jto just swap out at will
Pwell I have my racing pedals (just g27) mounted inverted above my rudder pedals, so they can coexist, I was putting a flat bit of ply on the rudder pedals & that let me use the racing pedals fine enough, but yeah no other way to get around swapping yoke & wheel, although tbh the Rhino & ffb have spoiled my Honeycomb Alpha yoke for me & I haven't been using it lately, looks like it'll be a candidate for a VPforce kit!
Jthats one way to do it
MThx I cannot wait to try it out
JLooking a lot more like I'll be next month 
SCan anyone recommend a budget 80/20 frame for flight sim or instructions on building my own (ill just need the mounting plates) as I dont think my desk mount will cut it anymore.
Jhttps://www.motedis.com/en/SimRacing-Configurator?products_id=9688 (this template is for racing but could be a great starting point for reference)
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Jdiy using a place like motedis would be one option, would have to source your own chair
Jwithout a chair you'd be looking at around $400-500usd once you factor in shipping
Jyou probably won't find anything cheaper than that in 80/20 t slot because at that point the majority of the cost is the materials + machining, and shipping
SQuestion is shipping to the UK!
JMaybe UK has a more local solution available 
JSince the parts are universal could rip part list from motedis and order from anywhere that offers them
SYes, but the effects are quite subtle. There is stiffening of controls with speed and aileron trim moving the stick. With full trim the stick is displaced around 1cm from center.
Tis the waiting time still 12 months ?
Jprobably that or longer if you aren't yet in line. 300+ people in line atm iirc
Jon avg ships out around 20 a month it might increase over time
KI’m looking for some details on the DIY kits. I just finished my own gimbal / electronics that I use with XPlane, Condor 2, and MSFS. It runs mainly on I2C on a RPi Pico. In the DIY motor kit, how do the buttons / normal electronics integrate in with the system?
Tthanks for the info
S777 rudder pedals with a 4" scale for scaling purposes
S
PHey m8 not a kit owner but the basic idea is that you choose what motor size you'd like, with the 57BLF03 being the motor kit in the Rhino peaks @9Nm torque with the Rhino's gear ratio & power pack, the kit also includes the VPforce usb pcb (thingy) to connect the motor to the PC but power pack is byo, usually a laptop power pack. Walmis carefully chose the motors & also did some black magic in the software/firmware? for anti-cogging etc. There are some options for chassis & gimbals I believe one or two guys on the discord here are creating chassis kits for sale to work with the 57BLF03 motor kits. The wait time on a motor kit is usually a couple days at most from what I've seen. Also Walmis & likely any other ppl that have the VPforce kit are usually more than happy to help with any trouble during the build & testing process.
KThanks, I've got the 57BLF04 on order as I plan to build from scratch again and have the machine shop to make this a fun project. I'm mainly confused about how to integrate the existing joystick controller board with the VPforce USB device. It seems like it would make things more difficult if the FFB signals had to go to a different device than the joystick that actually gives the values for those axis. For example: If my X axis is from an I2C sensor (as it actually is) and that I2C sensor's position is converted into a USB HID Joystick by an RPi Pico, then how do I integrate the two USB devices in games like Condor/Xplane/MSFS?
Pwhen you say "existing joystick controller board" do you mean for your grip's buttons etc?