@Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner I've pushed a firmware update today. Fixed some quirks and the `Force Co

@Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner I've pushed a firmware update today. Fixed some quirks and the

Force Compensation

Force Compensation

Force Compensation

Force Compensation function should work properly now when axis is scaled.
@.durham Try it out, maybe it will help with the issue you're having.

Reed•4/24/23, 5:16 PM

With the travel limiter that can be 3D printed. Do any of you have a source for the total travel or deflection for a uh-60, ec145, 64c etc. looking for a good approximate number so I can print one limiter plate.

Wwalmis @Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner I've pushed a firmware update today. Fixed some quir...

inpayne•4/24/23, 6:57 PM

What does force compensation do? A quick look through the manual I don’t see it on there.

Iinpayne What does force compensation do? A quick look through the manual I don’t see it ...

ju_caesar•4/24/23, 8:34 PM

The gimbal only has a finite amount of stiffness. At full force and full deflection, the gimbal will eat some of the travel, such that the motor won't see the full deflection but only a certain fraction.
At least this is what I understood it does.

Wwalmis ``` 2023-04-24 : 00:36:43 ( 3764): Lost an effect - will try to reacquire. 2023-...

smitty•4/24/23, 10:40 PM

so far, disabling vjoy seems to have fixed it- ill have to fully migrate away from it now!

Rob EB•4/24/23, 11:06 PM

@walmis After applying the new firmware update I'm seeing some odd behaviour with force comp on the X axis. Increasing the comp is reducing the reported axis deflection rather than compensating for loss of deflection caused by the spring induced flex. Y axis comp is working correctly (although it seems to be much more effective now).

I have an 11 degree throw limiter installed and axis have been calibrated with it.

Wwalmis What spring Filter value do you have set?

inpayne•4/24/23, 11:40 PM

Can you explain where this setting is? I don’t see it

inpayne•4/25/23, 2:36 AM

nvm i found it.

smitty•4/25/23, 3:27 AM

Just to make sure before i wire this up, is this the correct order? match pin names except Shift Register Do -> Main board Di, and Di on shift register not used?

smitty•4/25/23, 3:38 AM

and then the joystick like this?

RRob EB @walmis After applying the new firmware update I'm seeing some odd behaviour wit...

walmisOP•4/25/23, 4:43 AM

Thanks I'll check this first thing and push another update

Ssmitty and then the joystick like this?

walmisOP•4/25/23, 5:41 AM

Yes, these are exactly correct

Ssmitty so far, disabling vjoy seems to have fixed it- ill have to fully migrate away f...

Will3D•4/25/23, 6:13 AM

Vjoy gave me nojoy. I uninstalled it also.

RRob EB @walmis After applying the new firmware update I'm seeing some odd behaviour wit...

walmisOP•4/25/23, 8:08 AM

Should be fixed in v1.0.14-5

Wwalmis Should be fixed in v1.0.14-5

Rob EB•4/25/23, 8:40 AM

Fixed! Thanks

WWill3D Vjoy gave me nojoy. I uninstalled it also.

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 12:12 PM

This is concerning for me. As I rely on joystick gremlin and hid hide. I hope I can make it work.

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 12:13 PM

Surely many Rhino and kit owners are using vjoy/gremlin. I wonder why it’s been a problem for you guys.

TTheAmazinGreat Surely many Rhino and kit owners are using vjoy/gremlin. I wonder why it’s been ...

PiNKSH!T•4/25/23, 12:25 PM

I've used the Rhino with HID Hide a few times so far I've had no trouble, using a vkb grip & the VPforce Loopback app plus hid hide to make IL2 see the Rhino & grip as one & not see the vkb grip alone.

PPiNKSH!T I've used the Rhino with HID Hide a few times so far I've had no trouble, using ...

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 1:15 PM

Glad to hear it doesn’t sound like HID hide is the issue. But I use Gremlin/vJoy to merge the throttle and clutch on my sim racing pedals into a single axis for rudder pedals in flight sims. So I need to keep it enabled.

TTheAmazinGreat Glad to hear it doesn’t sound like HID hide is the issue. But I use Gremlin/vJoy...

PiNKSH!T•4/25/23, 1:20 PM

time to invest in separate rudder pedals?

Even just the 'cheap' Logitech ones will do, their what I use, plus light & easy to move, I have my logitech racing pedals mounted inverted above my rudder pedals & they both fit

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 1:21 PM

I saw in the previous discussion with @smitty981 it was maybe xpforce related? I don’t have plans to use XPForce so if that’s really the issue then it’s no big deal.

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 1:28 PM

Smitty, did you try it at all with vJoy enabled, without XPForce?

amadeus•4/25/23, 3:23 PM

I use vjoy and joystick gremlin and have no issues? I made a custom plugin to do differential braking with the lever on my joystick grip combined with my rudder pedals

Aamadeus I use vjoy and joystick gremlin and have no issues? I made a custom plugin to do...

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 4:10 PM

Thanks, I figured there had to be more experiences. Glad to hear it’s worked for you!

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 4:10 PM

I’m down to the point of printing my pulleys and then sourcing belts for my kit build. I am getting antsy to try it out!

TTheAmazinGreat Smitty, did you try it at all with vJoy enabled, without XPForce?

smitty•4/25/23, 5:49 PM

It works as a joystick without xpforce but what’s the fun in that?

Havebug•4/25/23, 7:55 PM

With latest IL2 patch, the Y axis spring force seems gone... anyone having same issue?

Rails•4/25/23, 8:04 PM

Yep that’s what I’m experiencing

Havebug•4/25/23, 8:06 PM

It must be the game... with DCS working as usual

smitty•4/25/23, 9:42 PM

so i wired up as shown.. have 5v on the shift register.. and nothing. generic debug shows this

smitty•4/25/23, 9:44 PM

smitty•4/25/23, 9:44 PM

All pins connect to gnd when pressed.

kingjamez•4/25/23, 11:24 PM

If it were me, I’d wire the shift register up to a simple arduino (uno or similar) and send the output of the shift register to serial so you can see what’s being read. There are a ton of guides on YouTube for reading out a shift register with arduino.

smitty•4/25/23, 11:38 PM

no need to make this more complicated. wouldnt i get the same FFFFFF's?

kingjamez•4/25/23, 11:40 PM

You seem like you’ve got it figured out on your own. I’ll let you diagnose

smitty•4/26/23, 1:53 AM

all the FF FF FF's are coming in even with the shift register disconnected... so even if i had a spare arduino around it wouldnt tell me much. also tried new FW update, same.

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 2:51 AM

Each FF is a hexadecimal 8 bit number (FF = 11111111) to indicate signal from the shift register board. An unpressed shift register should read:
FF FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

The first 4 FFs are for the 32 buttons (4x8 bits =32). When a button is pressed you should see one of the FFs change to something like F7 (11110111) or BF (10111111). Where the 0 in the binary byte is the button being pulled to ground.

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 2:52 AM

I’m trying to think of why you would be getting FF for all 16 bytes though. That is odd. My first guess would be an issue with your SCK or CS wiring/connections.

smitty•4/26/23, 3:21 AM

That’s what I don’t get.. I followed my pic above exactly .. I did the crisscross in the joystick, and then it’s red, green, yellow, blue (white on the lower cable), black.

smitty•4/26/23, 3:22 AM

No shorts anywhere either.

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 3:30 AM

And you’re certain the 9 pin plug isn’t the issue? I agree at first glance it looks correct. I would unplug the JST XH 5pin from the main board and check continuity between the SR and JST plug. You could also make sure there is nothing shorted together too for good measure.

smitty•4/26/23, 3:32 AM

yep i checked for shorts, all good there. all the button pins beep on the meter for continuity when i press the corresponding button. ill check continuity with the 5pin to register board, ive been using this 9pin in this application before with no issues and the female one is brand new

smitty•4/26/23, 3:36 AM

everything is good thru the 9pin

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 3:38 AM

Even with nothing connected to the shift register button wise you should see the debug as FF FF FF FF 00 00 00… so to see all 16 FFs to me says it is an issue between the SR and main board.

smitty•4/26/23, 3:38 AM

if i yank the 5pin i get all FF FF

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 3:40 AM

So with nothing plugged into the grip plug it’s the same as with the SR plugged in?

smitty•4/26/23, 3:40 AM

yep

smitty•4/26/23, 3:42 AM

i saw the old posts from stal2k about his FFFF's but his buttons were all lit up.. mine arent. he had a voltage issue but mine reads 5.03 at the 5pin

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 3:43 AM

FF should be unpressed so with all FFs you shouldn’t have anything lit up.

smitty•4/26/23, 3:44 AM

yea he had some other unrelated issue i guess, i just remembered someone getting FFFFF 🧰support

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 3:46 AM

I remember that. But that seems like a different issue

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