MI'm up in British Columbia.
M39hr drive
MCheaper to ship, lol
IYeah I’d think so. Lol
TWell, it is a real beast of a controller… 
V:package: 
RHINO #0104 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0104 Has Shipped!
RWhat are your settings are using for helicopters, spring dampening, balance, constant force, etc. etc.
ISure. Next time I jump on I’ll take pics of the settings. Granted they are rather stock and I’m not using an extention. So your results may vary.
VI got 84 to go, we're getting closer.
BJust signed up, this is going to be a looooong wait 
BHaven't gotten one yet.
BWas like barely four hours ago
BAnd I've already pinged the bot a few times 
SI’m almost no. 400… 
Gonna be a looong wait. Yet I’m still pestering the poor VPForceBot almost every day. 
Gonna be a looong wait. Yet I’m still pestering the poor VPForceBot almost every day. 
Jim beyond thankful i was able to join the queue back in october 2022
BI only learned about this yesterday
BIf you'd ask me 40 hours ago I have thought the only "new" FFB gimbal was the Brünner, and from what I've heard about that company I simply don't feel a need to deal with them.
JRhino is not only cheaper but superior in almost every single way
AI wonder if there's going to be any kind of a reaction from Brunner
JLikely not. Their primary source of income is in the professional side of things for the purpose of certification trainers used by big airliner companies and the like
BFrom what I hear they dont like to involve themselves with the peasant sim market.
JIf anything we'd be more likely to see a 'reaction' from the likes of Virpil and Winwing.
BIt's still a niche market inside the niche of a niche market.
JAfter Virpil finishes the AH-64 collective grip the next thing they could improve upon is the CM3 throttle, or their pedals in some way. They just recently updated both of their flight stick bases to new adjustable ones so unlikely to see yet another base from them anytime soon. Collectives in general are already very new from Vipril so an updated one of those is also unlikely. Their pedals and throttle have been around for a while though, and they already recently added a new control panel to go with the collective.
Unless they want to make cyclic grips or something.
Winwing is more likely simply because they currently have a reputation of surprising us simmers with what they have in store. The F18 front panels for example, the force sensing base, and the F16 grip/throttle plus the new throttle to replace the old one have all exceeded expectations again and again.
Unless they want to make cyclic grips or something.
Winwing is more likely simply because they currently have a reputation of surprising us simmers with what they have in store. The F18 front panels for example, the force sensing base, and the F16 grip/throttle plus the new throttle to replace the old one have all exceeded expectations again and again.
BEspecially since virpil used to release a new throttle every 6-8 months.
JI don't see Virpil releasing a new throttle this year, but I'd really like to see one next year at least. I'm particularly keen to see more about WinWing's throttle replacement, as that might be much more appealing to me, albeit also far more expensive.
Adidn't they kind of hint at ffb for their new throttle?
BI've been very tempted by the Taurus since the start, but that was during thw height of covid and fedex shipping to me was $200 and I get 25% tax on top of that as well.
And my only real gain would be longer throw and detents.
I get that with this as well, but working, genuine ffb for a stick gimbal is worth the value IMO.
And my only real gain would be longer throw and detents.
I get that with this as well, but working, genuine ffb for a stick gimbal is worth the value IMO.
JThe tease of their new throttle is vague enough it could be anything. It would be cool if it was FFB, and it isn't impossible given how expectation exceeding their stuff has been lately. But we just don't know. A lot of people seem to think it is an F-15E grip based throttle. I'm sure WW will show us in due time. I just hope it is similar in features and quality and price to the original Taurus to the point of making sense to get. Will it be a justified upgrade over Taurus for existing owners? Probably not unless FFB or some other game changing feature. But for people like me with a Virpil CM2? If Virpil or VKB don't have anything better anytime soon, absolutely.
TA motorized throttle would be much easier to build, compared to a flightstick. It would require less force and would make it possible to have software controlled detents and gates, customized to each aircraft you want to fly… And, of course, Autothrottle. 
JYeah in terms of my current setup throttle is the last thing I'll upgrade, after new pedals, and adding a collective
BOnly thing ive seen of it was some under cloth 5 seconds bit where it seems the handles move independently.
Nice enough, but is autothrottle that actually move critical?
Nice enough, but is autothrottle that actually move critical?
JWalmis is eyeballing a set of MFG Crosswinds once they're available again in June, to look into the possibility of adding FFB to the rudder pedals. That's something I absolutely want. I was already considering MFG Crosswinds to upgrade from my CH Products Pro pedals, and ability to add FFB with a kit I simply install and hook up to my pc is a no brainer.
BIf its $500 as the current Taurus, maybe, but if it suddenly jumps $300 I loose my interest.
Awalmis / milan co-operation would be pretty sweet
JYeah I'd definitely prefer it stay under the 800 threshold USA has for imports and tariffs on products that pass through China. Would be much more affordable that way.
BIve had mine since 2018 and they feel as good now as when i got them, and better even after I added the damper mod.
TAutothrottle with moving throttle levers isn’t critical, but if you put motors on the levers, why not?
Apedals might be a challenge, though, legs tend to be quite strong things requireing lots of force and there's a number of rather important planes notorious for requiring constant rudder input
JWilliam Oakes is currently working on diy FFB for the pedals, might make substantial progress before walmis gets hands on
BLooking at the insides of the Taurus, my thoughts is it looks honestly quite simple.
JI know one limiting factor is walmis doesn't have rudder support available in the Rhino software currently. Which would be another benefit to him fiddling with the Crosswinds.
BIs there support to get one of the weaker kits and build a throttle unit?
Jwdym?
Jif you search through #
support or #
knowledge-base you can see what is currently supported in the rhino software, if that is what you mean. I don't think there is any documentation here in the server with a template to follow for a throttle assembly
support or #knowledge-base you can see what is currently supported in the rhino software, if that is what you mean. I don't think there is any documentation here in the server with a template to follow for a throttle assemblyBWas more concerned about things like 'virtual' detents, variable force zones etc.
Not sure I communicate it effectively.
Not sure I communicate it effectively.
BI have no doubt its capable to do, but i imagine it would require coding effort.
JYeah likely not in the Rhino software yet
BJust guessing, but i suspect this would need particular code to handle, unless say the DCS f18 module would have ffb data for it in the API already.