Hey guys, sorry if this has come up before. Using the VP Force with a Virpil PAK grip and the virpil

Hey guys, sorry if this has come up before. Using the VP Force with a Virpil PAK grip and the virpil extension. I'm getting repeated uncommanded button presses regardless of what grip configuration I use. Makes binding in DCS very problematic. The grip is known good, tested on Virpil base with zero issues

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 3:53 PM

Here are some screen grabs

HHook47 Hey guys, sorry if this has come up before. Using the VP Force with a Virpil PAK...

Number481•12/5/23, 4:11 PM

does the issue still occur if you directly connect the grip to the rhino without the extension? Myself and at least one other had issues with the 200mm offset virpil extension.. the way its wired internally introduces enough noise to cause problems with the Rhino base

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 4:13 PM

Yes. Persists with both. Extension also tests good on its base

Number481•12/5/23, 4:15 PM

if it persists without the extension, then thats not the issue (but my extension worked fine on the virpil base, too)

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 4:16 PM

Virpil extension, or at least my example is well made. Wiring is tidy and better than Thrustmaster or Wingwing products. I rather suspect it's a software or configuration problem with the VP Force software.

HHook47 Hey guys, sorry if this has come up before. Using the VP Force with a Virpil PAK...

walmis•12/5/23, 4:50 PM

Which one is the PAK grip? T50CM2?

AndyHill•12/5/23, 4:57 PM

I think so

Wwalmis Which one is the PAK grip? T50CM2?

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 5:51 PM

Mongoose T-50

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 5:52 PM

Should be the same as a T50CM2 I think

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 6:00 PM

This is pretty clearly a fault on the VP Force softwares end IMO. Testing a TM Warthog grip on the same extension, it's working great. The VP Force software isn't processing button data from the Virpil grip IMO, especially where the brake lever is concerned. Seems like it's trying to read that axis as button presses rather than a potentiometer axis

walmis•12/5/23, 6:26 PM

@hook47 Is this an old VPC T-50 model? Could you enable the debug grip profile and copy some data from the debug tab? It'll probably be an easy fix.

Wwalmis @hook47 Is this an old VPC T-50 model? Could you enable the debug grip profile a...

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 6:27 PM

Yes sir, it's the first gen Mongoose T-50. Just let me know what you need and I'll get it

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 6:28 PM

I prefer the T-50 over the Warhog grip as it's much lighter/less strain on the base, so I'd prefer to revert back to it

walmis•12/5/23, 6:32 PM

Just enable the Generic Grip (Debug) profile and make a screenshot or copy data from the debug tab in the vpforce configurator. It'll show data coming from the grip

Wwalmis Just enable the Generic Grip (Debug) profile and make a screenshot or copy data ...

Hook47OP•12/5/23, 8:29 PM

Will do!

Jehly•12/5/23, 9:23 PM

I’m sure it’s been mentioned, but the web app doesn’t capture the USB or something. Am I missing something? Trying to update firmware.

JJehly I’m sure it’s been mentioned, but the web app doesn’t capture the USB or somethi...

walmis•12/6/23, 7:38 AM

Try this:
🧰support

Wwalmis Try this: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/968208779084701716/115...

PiNKSH!T•12/6/23, 10:39 AM

hey m8, are my constant effects supposed to be @ 50% too like the Periodic are for telemFFB with DCS? Cheers

Wwalmis Just enable the Generic Grip (Debug) profile and make a screenshot or copy data ...

Hook47OP•12/6/23, 8:08 PM

Here is the data from the Mongoose T-50 grip

Gascan87•12/7/23, 4:58 AM

TelemFFB is sometimes not giving me the proper forces when flying IL2. Sometimes when I start up the game it acts as though spring centered, other times it gives proper forces based on the game's FFB implementation. The telemetry monitor screen shows the correct data for the plane, but I don't get any effect. I have verified that Sticky is not turned on, and if I turn off the Spring effect in FFB Configurator then the stick goes limp. I can't figure out why it does one or the other. I've even had troubles after a fresh computer restart. Anyidea on what to look for next? Currently on 0bfba240 for TelemFFB. I have used SimShaker in the past, but turned it off before the Rhino arrived. The Rhino has worked correctly several times, but sometimes gives this problem.

GGascan87 TelemFFB is sometimes not giving me the proper forces when flying IL2. Sometimes...

Number481•12/7/23, 5:14 AM

TelemFFB doesn’t do much in terms of stick forces with IL2 since it implements its own dynamic stick FFB forces. TelemFFB is limited to the haptic effects that you see settings for in the config.

When writing the support for IL2, I noticed that it’s FFB implementation is pretty flaky. On some aircraft after having been on pause, it’s 50/50 whether the spring force will return to one or both axes.

Also, if the game window loses focus, all effects get reset by the sim and TelemFFB does it’s best to recover from the condition (for the haptic effects it generates)

Do the issues still occur if you don’t use TelemFFB?

Gascan87•12/7/23, 5:18 AM

ahh I've been doing most of my testing in SP, which starts paused, but most of my flying is done in MP.

Gascan87•12/7/23, 5:18 AM

I haven't tried MP without TelemFFB

Gascan87•12/7/23, 5:19 AM

will give it a shot tomorrow

HHook47 Here is the data from the Mongoose T-50 grip

walmis•12/7/23, 7:01 AM

Thanks. Am I correct to assume the first 24 are buttons, and 25-32 are data from brake axis?

Wwalmis Thanks. Am I correct to assume the first 24 are buttons, and 25-32 are data from...

Hook47OP•12/7/23, 7:24 AM

Correct, I see 25-32 blink when I actuate the brake

Jarmak•12/7/23, 4:53 PM

any tips on controlling unstable oscillations? Turning up the damping doesn't seem to be having the intuitive effect I expected

Jarmak•12/7/23, 4:56 PM

or maybe I just wasn't being aggressive enough

butternips•12/7/23, 9:46 PM

Anyone have any issues with a TM warthog grip? My grip worked fine on my VPC and warthog bases. Plugged into the rhino buttons don’t register immediately and the input pulses during a prolonged press. I have the grip type set to generic grip. The pins look in good health and I also tried an extension that I’ve verified as working as well. My VPC VFX works without any problems on the Rhino. I tried a search here in the discord and couldn’t find any relevant issues

JJarmak any tips on controlling unstable oscillations? Turning up the damping doesn't se...

walmis•12/8/23, 7:12 AM

You can play with filter (LPF) values, decreasing spring filter, and increasing damper bandwidth usually helps. Too much damper BW can cause vibrations and motor failsafe.

Bbutternips Anyone have any issues with a TM warthog grip? My grip worked fine on my VPC and...

walmis•12/8/23, 7:28 AM

Hmm not sure if it's a connection issue if it works via an extension. Can you do a demonstration of the issue?

Wwalmis Hmm not sure if it's a connection issue if it works via an extension. Can you do...

butternips•12/8/23, 10:42 AM

Its hard to show in a screen recording but I'd say there's a consistent .5-.75 second delay between pressing the physical button and the registered press

Bbutternips Its hard to show in a screen recording but I'd say there's a consistent .5-.75 s...

walmis•12/8/23, 12:24 PM

This one is a head-scratcher. First time seeing this behaviour.

butternips•12/8/23, 12:28 PM

I guess I’ll give the resistance between the pins a check when I get home. It is an older stick I guess, I got it in 2017

tomatoflames•12/9/23, 2:22 AM

Hey guys,

I'm finally getting my Rhino set up and mounted, so I was able to power it up for the first time today. Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem that my Emergency Stop (big red button) is functioning---the stick has centering force behind it whether the button is pressed or not. This isn't the intended function of this thing, right?

tomatoflames•12/9/23, 2:23 AM

To add on to this, when the stick is unplugged from power, whether the button is pressed in or not the stick will center itself on startup when I plug it back in to main power.

MashedPotato•12/9/23, 3:02 AM

Might have to open it up and make sure the stop mechanism didn't pop loose in shipping

Wwalmis You can play with filter (LPF) values, decreasing spring filter, and increasing ...

Jarmak•12/9/23, 5:53 AM

Play with in what way? I don't see anything called spring filter or damper bandwidth.

I am picking up violent vibrations near the center point while in DCS, I think since I turned on the adaptive centering spring. triggered failsafe earlier this evening. usb port seems to have broken loose inside the casing but cable is still plugged in, unsure coincidental or caused by the vibration.

Jarmak•12/9/23, 5:54 AM

Jarmak•12/9/23, 5:55 AM

JJarmak Play with in what way? I don't see anything called spring filter or damper bandw...

walmis•12/9/23, 6:29 AM

I recommend updating to the latest firmware first.

Ttomatoflames Hey guys, I'm finally getting my Rhino set up and mounted, so I was able to pow...

walmis•12/9/23, 6:34 AM

Yeah, looks like a bugged switch.
You can try to open up the back of the rhino, unplug the stop switch, unscrew and remove it, pop it a few times and it should start work again. Then you can install it back.

SolaceOneTwo•12/10/23, 4:17 AM

My VKB isnt registering any input in USB settings. Could I have a bad VKB adapter?

RAFFT•12/10/23, 8:17 PM

has any one mounted this to a DOF motion sim if so How did you mount it

RRAFFT has any one mounted this to a DOF motion sim if so How did you mount it

Jehly•12/10/23, 11:54 PM

I also have this question. I’ve been eyeballing them.

SolaceOneTwo•12/11/23, 4:41 AM

Is there a way to rotate the grip mount? Mine is slightly crooked, in the wrong direction and I like my stick curved inward about 15 degrees for ergonomics

SSolaceOneTwo Is there a way to rotate the grip mount? Mine is slightly crooked, in the wrong ...

walmis•12/11/23, 6:02 AM

Could you elaborate? Not sure what you mean exactly by "crooked". You mean 15 deg on the twist axis? VKB and Virpil grips can be twisted freely at any angle if that's the case.

Wwalmis Could you elaborate? Not sure what you mean exactly by "crooked". You mean 15 de...

SolaceOneTwo•12/11/23, 6:33 AM

Yes thats what I mean. can the warthog or default grip be twisted?

RRAFFT has any one mounted this to a DOF motion sim if so How did you mount it

Poor Yurik•12/11/23, 6:36 AM

@jehlybean I did it. Bought a 6mm thick aluminum plate from 8020.net, printed out metric graph paper and used a metal punch to make the correct hole positions, then drilled and countersunk the holes where needed. If you're interested, I can try and get you guys the exact specs this week.

SSolaceOneTwo Yes thats what I mean. can the warthog or default grip be twisted?

walmis•12/11/23, 6:47 AM

Ahh yes, I see what you mean. Well, I have a 15deg grip mount head piece, but it would require completely replacing it. One alternative is to get a short extension from Virpil, it should allow the grip to twist.

Hey guys, sorry if this has come up before. Using the VP Force with a Virpil PAK grip and the virpil

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