Using Battery Digital Twins to Elevate EV Performance and Life

Daily Feed: We've talked about digital twins in the last office-hours. Simply said, these are a close enough replica of the actual system put together by studying them and tend to behave with the same input/output characteristics (like a photocopy of yours's looks just like you!) Some impactful use cases are in automotive, energy domain where the amount of parameters involved are hefty and not easy to analyze them. This articles shows one interesting use-case for batteries https://eepower.com/industry-articles/using-battery-digital-twins-to-elevate-ev-performance-and-life/# There are some interesting startups in this domain as well like https://www.twaice.com/ and one project by Bosch https://www.bosch-mobility.com/en/solutions/software-and-services/battery-in-the-cloud/battery-in-the-cloud/
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Battery digital twins continuously collect battery and vehicle data over the system’s lifetime, accurately estimating the battery’s current and predicting the future state of charge.
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techielew
techielew6mo ago
I’m the intersection of multiple topics we’ve covered, Siemens Tessent portfolio is based on the acquisition of a RIAC-V startup called UltraSoC: https://eda.sw.siemens.com/en-US/ic/tessent/embedded-analytics/ They developed a technology called “embedded analytics”, which embeds the equivalent of performance/security watchdog IP in an SoC for monitoring. The data is pulled out over the AXI or similar bus and potentially out to an interconnect: https://hc32.hotchips.org/assets/sponsors/UltraSoC/UltraSoC%20overview%20brochure.pdf
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techielew
techielew6mo ago
So this is why I believe a true digital twin is so far out. The physical system needs to be equipped with technologies essentially from the transistors up to be able to actually mirror its state into a model. You’re not going to do that on most devices for a long, long time until this type of technology gets embedded into common offerings (like something similar to Arm System IP) OR the system in question is of enough value to warrant the extra cost to monitor it … like automotive or energy 🙂
Navadeep
Navadeep6mo ago
This Siemens thing is a porbe for chip level. It's to monitor and troubleshoot the custom silicon one develops. What they are offering in the UltraSoC package an IP block which can be linked to the user's system through external interfaces or also be included within the user's design itself. This essentially need not be fabricated to hard silicon on every chip rather for using while emulating on a FPGA or plug this as external debugger having UltraSoC IP in it. Fundamentally, digital twins are to predict what might be happening in the system when you can't see what's happening in real. Getting 'might be' to 'real' is through tuning the twin model based on actual data acquired at some point or intermediately but not essentially continuous monitoring.
techielew
techielew6mo ago
Tessent now integrates some of the IP acquired from UltraSoC which is where they got the RISC-V from. See the Tessent page
techielew
techielew6mo ago
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Navadeep
Navadeep6mo ago
Interesting! Probably they want continuous log the system as it runs the process. Like in data center apps .
techielew
techielew6mo ago
Yeah they are using it now to improve chip design generation over generation. It’s pretty intriguing but you could feed this back into a DT model, right? Like if you overclock a processor for a period how much degradation occurs? Stuff like that would have to be captured in the twin. Can you explain re data center apps?
Navadeep
Navadeep6mo ago
Good, That;s a lot of data for an automotive. I see now why pople want to move further from CAN to Ethernet.'
techielew
techielew6mo ago
Depends on what’s being monitored but for sure if you had it on all ECUs/domain controllers you’d need a fatter pipe for sure.
Navadeep
Navadeep6mo ago
Oh, I meant the use case for continuous monitoring in high performance chips could be in the data centre applications. yeah, this looks like a good recipe for modelling a twin.
techielew
techielew6mo ago
Oh yeah that would be a no brainer application
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