It will be a simulator, the plane crashed years ago so it'll never be airworthy again.
It will be a simulator, the plane crashed years ago so it'll never be airworthy again.
Ryeah, gotcha, just lift up the boot cover and unscrew the endstops
NThen you’re facing something approximately like what my rig looks like. I built my sim pit a lot like an airplane with a stick so now have to figure out how to add VPF to a fairly plane-like mechanism. It looks like you’re interfacing to yokes. There was at least one example of that here a while back but I forget who posted it. Maybe someone else remembers but it looked pretty good.
FI've searched the discord for "yoke" and most are compact designs.
I've got an advantage of cables that would usually lead between the controls and flight surfaces still being present.
The most basic idea would be to join the cable ends around a sprocket attached to the motor and basically see what happens.
I've got an advantage of cables that would usually lead between the controls and flight surfaces still being present.
The most basic idea would be to join the cable ends around a sprocket attached to the motor and basically see what happens.
Sif you have cables, take a look at my TPR mod in #
knowledge-base - measure how much linear movement you have on the cable and make a pulley with diameter = {measurement}/pi
knowledge-base - measure how much linear movement you have on the cable and make a pulley with diameter = {measurement}/pi
FI was having a read last night, your design work is great. I've generally been more trial and error so it's fascinating to see things designed properly.
原a while ago someone was discussing how to add the motors into the existing control system on a homecockpit made from a real F-15 cockpit.. it's using stick in stead of yoke tho
around here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1145651561578647582/1183878971725709373
around here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1145651561578647582/1183878971725709373
MSo, for those of y'all that did the DIY rudder pedals/collective, how did you guys do it? Did you start with an existing peripheral like MFGs or Virpil pedals and mount the motors onto that or did you do a completely custom peripheral, up to programming your own control boards?
FPeople made ffb throttles?
MI don't want to discount the idea at all, because it's great to do whatever we want with FFB bases but I wonder if it's not better to have a "normal" ffb even for this plane. In the end, the FFB is supposed to compensate for all the seat-of-the-pants info we are not having, aren't we losing them if we replicate a FSSB?
MMeant collective. I saw it in the settings of the updated TelemFFB software and it piqued my interest.
FAh yes that one
MIn my head, it's a short step from FFB collective to FFB throttles
FIirc people made a custom base and attached virpil cyclic tops
Pyeah you would loose some feedback without the ffb using a fssb, but that's where things like the jetseat or HF8 come in
MHF8 is a game changer. Had mine for like 6 months and can never go back to not having one\
MTrue, it can also be a compromise with other sources of feedback playing a bigger role in the feedback then. 
MDo we know if the HF8 is as good as the jetseat? I missed the jetseat when it was available.
PI'm trying to decide between it or forking out the extra for Andre's jetseat??
MI missed the Jetseat too and so got the HF8 and it's phenominal.
MWhat's the difference?
Pyou can still get it, I'm trying to find the link, I'll post it when I find it, you just go through a 3rd party in Germany or something, fuck sanctions
MMy decision was informed by the international sanctions on international trade with Russia and that's where Andre is IIRC so that made me go with the HF8.
Pwell now that the hf8 can use the same software I'm not really sure, I've heard ppl say the jetseat is stronger?
PI look at those sanctions as for companies, not individuals buying a PC peripheral
MSix of one, half-dozen of the other for me. He's got a company that he sells the peripherals through so rather than risk it, I just went with the HF8.
PI've already been told I can't talk about this stuff here but I'll just say, no one boycotted USA when they invaded Iraq, Afghanistan or Vietnam like this so meh idc, it's for governments to play silly buggers
MDo you need to plug the HF8 via the audio jack to use Andre's software?
PI haven't used either so I can't speak to the quality or motor strength difference, the software I believe is the main difference & now they both use the same "sim shaker for aviators" I believe
MSimShaker for Aviators doesn't require anything but the USB connection to work so I'm going to say no, you don't need an audio plug to make it work with that software
MYeah, from experience, the native HF8 software is still very WIP and was garbage when I used it. I haven't used it since then since Simshaker for Aviators and SimHub both support the HF8 themselves.
PI think the audio jack is for console use & if you want the hf8 to go with movies & music, but it also works for haptic feedback on any game using the audio for cues
Psry but 4am for me g2g get some sleep 
Palso Andre's jetseat if a 'lil more expensive plus postage
MIf it really is better though, it's not much of a price difference so could be worth it. But hard to tell sadly.
I wonder if Simshaker will support the SRS Ushake 6, one day? This one is filled with transducers so it must be much stronger/precise than just vibration motors normally
I wonder if Simshaker will support the SRS Ushake 6, one day? This one is filled with transducers so it must be much stronger/precise than just vibration motors normally
MI think it's personal perference. I'll take 8 channels to 6 channels any day, but that's just me. Stuff like haptics is really, really subjective and difficult to quantify past a couple of different parameters.
Pyeah I'm stuck on what choice to make, I have considered just getting the hf8 & the jetseat later down the road, use whatever is better & keep the other for a spare, or I do also have the idea of using all my old PC parts, flight gear etc. & making a second set up I can have for a friend or family member to use, I am getting a lot of spares from upgrading things over time so why not use it 
Pahh so jetseat has 8 motor's not 6?
MNo the HF8 has 8 motors. I don't know how many the Jetseat has
MI looked up the SRS UShake 6 since I'd never heard of it, and it has 6 transducers
PI think they have the same number, ok g2g to bed, later 
MYeah, the HF8 has Top Back R/L, Lower Back R/L, Rear Seat R/L and Front Seat R/L
Myes 6 transducers instead of 8 vibration motors so potentially much more precise despite the lower count.
MThis guy (youtuber so not sure how reliable but considered ok in the simracing community) give his thoughts on the comparison between the two models and for him the SRS Ushake is way better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nuB_wRy7o0
MMe personally, I feel like the transducer arrangement in the back is too close together to feel any difference during non-extreme situations, but that's just me. I won't knock anyone's preference for being different. I'm happy with what I have and don't see anything in the UShake 6 that makes me go "Oh I need to upgrade."
MInteresting comment, thanks. On reddit people complain about the heat produced by the transducers also... We need to find someone who uses them all 
MMy take is that, for the price, if you have nothing right now and want to get a haptic seat, get the HF8. It's cheaper and plays nice with the existing software out there. Plus, I had a Bass Shaker before I got the HF8 and got the HF8 because the Butt Kicker kinda sucked if you didn't have multiple transducers. lol
MThanks Mongo! 
DI've tried several haptic feedback devices, and hav just bought a secondhand HF8.
I already had an SRS simshaker 4, and also a Buttkicker 2 with a better amp, and I briefly tried a woojer haptic strap.
IMHO they're all a compromise, between convenience, comfort, immersion, and software cost (payware/freeware).
The Woojer was very poor (understandably), weak, uncomfortable to wear, and no sophisticated haptic feedback from sims.
The SRS simshaker 4 is the most sophisticated, with 4 genuine transducers and good software support in the SRS app which also runs my windkit and motion platform. The big drawback with it is the seat cushion, with the original very soft foam and the fairly large hard transducers, making it like sitting on a sack of spuds !
I improved things quite a bit by fitting them into a shaped memory foam cushion, and previously I'd even tried them within a foam seat base itself, carving out cylindrical pockets for them. That was excellent, but my latest seat, an elite ES1, has thin foam pads, so not possible in that. It's a very comfortable abs shaped bucket seat, so the SRS transducers (in any cushion) lift me up too high, reducing the comfort.
So I then tried a Buttkicker, underneath the seat, so no interferance with the seat shape. That gave a new problem though, because that was shaking the whole rig "err indoors" downstairs complained about the vibrations in the ceiling.
Hence now trying the HF8.
So far, so good. Simple to fit in the ES1 bucket seat, nice and thin, so not lifting me up or pushing me forward too much, and the combination of next level's own HF8 software for driving sims and simshaker for aviators for flight sims works quite well when you get it adjusted properly. Being "in" the seat (like the SRS) the vibrations can be felt more easily at lower intensity, so no complaints from the lady downstairs !
I already had an SRS simshaker 4, and also a Buttkicker 2 with a better amp, and I briefly tried a woojer haptic strap.
IMHO they're all a compromise, between convenience, comfort, immersion, and software cost (payware/freeware).
The Woojer was very poor (understandably), weak, uncomfortable to wear, and no sophisticated haptic feedback from sims.
The SRS simshaker 4 is the most sophisticated, with 4 genuine transducers and good software support in the SRS app which also runs my windkit and motion platform. The big drawback with it is the seat cushion, with the original very soft foam and the fairly large hard transducers, making it like sitting on a sack of spuds !
I improved things quite a bit by fitting them into a shaped memory foam cushion, and previously I'd even tried them within a foam seat base itself, carving out cylindrical pockets for them. That was excellent, but my latest seat, an elite ES1, has thin foam pads, so not possible in that. It's a very comfortable abs shaped bucket seat, so the SRS transducers (in any cushion) lift me up too high, reducing the comfort.
So I then tried a Buttkicker, underneath the seat, so no interferance with the seat shape. That gave a new problem though, because that was shaking the whole rig "err indoors" downstairs complained about the vibrations in the ceiling.
Hence now trying the HF8.
So far, so good. Simple to fit in the ES1 bucket seat, nice and thin, so not lifting me up or pushing me forward too much, and the combination of next level's own HF8 software for driving sims and simshaker for aviators for flight sims works quite well when you get it adjusted properly. Being "in" the seat (like the SRS) the vibrations can be felt more easily at lower intensity, so no complaints from the lady downstairs !
TOn my 8020 sim racing/ sim flight rig, I use for flight sim 2 x Buttkicker LFE, not the small mini LFE or the regular Buttkicker but the large LFE, and they do really work very well (no comparison with the Mini LFE for example). The frequency Response starts at 5 Hz!. Each of the Buttkicker LFE is 11 lbs / 5 kg.
https://thebuttkicker.com/products/buttkicker-lfe-haptic-transducer
You do need however some powerful amp like the Behringer NX3000 to work with these as they need 400 watts mininum.
https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CHS
As software I use Simshaker (SRS being less good and Simhub unfortunately not supporting flight sims):
https://simshaker.com/software/general/
Last but not least, you DO have to isolate your set from the rig in order to achieve good results for all tactile effects, otherwise a lot of the energy is going into the rig and the floor and not to your body .
https://thebuttkicker.com/products/buttkicker-lfe-haptic-transducer
You do need however some powerful amp like the Behringer NX3000 to work with these as they need 400 watts mininum.
https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CHS
As software I use Simshaker (SRS being less good and Simhub unfortunately not supporting flight sims):
https://simshaker.com/software/general/
Last but not least, you DO have to isolate your set from the rig in order to achieve good results for all tactile effects, otherwise a lot of the energy is going into the rig and the floor and not to your body .
ButtKicker Haptics
The ButtKicker LFE is our largest transducer and is a great fit for large installs. One ButtKicker LFE provides amazing tactile response on even the largest couches. And the ButtKicker LFE transducer is the best fit for home theater risers and platforms. The ButtKicker LFE haptic transducer requires a minimum of 400 wa
MVery nice feedback, thanks a lot DofMan! Would you mind sharing your settings for the HF8, it seems to be the way to go for me too then (bucket seat issue)!