How do you use the motor for the collective? Are you getting some kind of FFB there too? I never fle

How do you use the motor for the collective? Are you getting some kind of FFB there too? I never flew in a helicopter so I have no clue but I'm intrigued.

smitty•1/9/24, 9:50 PM

for most helis its just a 'dumb' axis, but for the HPG H145/H160 theres a release button that you have to press to move it, and it autopilot modes it moves by itself

MMonkee How do you use the motor for the collective? Are you getting some kind of FFB th...

Number481•1/9/24, 10:09 PM

as smitty said, while it is technically "force feedback" in the MSFS H145/160 helicopters from HPG, it is really only "force enabled" at all other times.. It just has infinitely controllable dampening/friction/inertia and feels way better than typical collective joysticks... plus it vibrates

sydost•1/9/24, 10:19 PM

Would it be possible to have that same collective release button to work in DCS with the Ka-50?

blave549•1/9/24, 11:55 PM

So I'll never be able to catch up with all of the backscroll, so... Have any pics or diagrams been posted of the MFG Crosswind FFB mod kit that (if I understand things correctly) Walmis is working on?

Bblave549 So I'll never be able to catch up with all of the backscroll, so... Have any pic...

Merlins51•1/10/24, 1:45 AM

Would love to see the same thing

Ssydost Would it be possible to have that same collective release button to work in DCS ...

Number481•1/10/24, 3:45 AM

It not impossible. The ka50 is the only DCS heli I don’t have. Is there any enforcement of the collective trim release in the aircraft in DCS? Do you need to press or hold a button to manipulate the collective?

NNumber481 It not impossible. The ka50 is the only DCS heli I don’t have. Is there any enfo...

sydost•1/10/24, 6:38 AM

I would say that no there isn’t. My understanding is that in the real Ka-50 there is a collective lock lever on the collective handle which needs to be used whenever pilot wants to make collective adjustment. When releasing the collective lock lever a new altitude hold referenssejä is sent to the autopilot. This button which sends the new alt hold reference is simulated in DCS but there is no need to press any button to operate collective. Could this behaviour be mimicked with VPForceconfigurator and the hardware tein function if it is not possible with telemFFB?

MMonkee How do you use the motor for the collective? Are you getting some kind of FFB th...

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 6:39 AM

one thing I've noticed since having the FFB Rhino is that yes obviously the 'ffb effects' are cool, immersive & fun but the main thing I've noticed is that having a peripheral running on motors not cams, springs & clutches is that you can change the feel of the stick so much more & a lot easier than pulling bases apart to change springs/cams/clutches, you just change a profile, also there's no "sticktion" at all anymore, you can have the stick set nice & stiff, with plenty of dampening etc. & get no sticktion, I eventually want all my stuff ffb, stick, pedals, yoke, collective & even a 4th gen jet style throttle unit.

PPiNKSH!T ahh so jetseat has 8 motor's not 6?

Mr. S•1/10/24, 11:32 AM

8motors but 6 channels IIRC

VPforceBot•1/10/24, 11:32 AM

RHINO #0337 Has Shipped!

PPiNKSH!T one thing I've noticed since having the FFB Rhino is that yes obviously the 'ffb...

MonkeeOP•1/10/24, 1:26 PM

I'd love to see a FFB 4th gen style throttle unit with simulated detents per plane and a long throw to replicate the throw that you have irl.

MMonkee I'd love to see a FFB 4th gen style throttle unit with simulated detents per pla...

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:43 PM

I'm hoping the new Winwing super taurus is a motor powered unit, it looks as though it will be with the movement it showed at the end of the teaser trailer

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:44 PM

even if it's just for auto throttle control in the f-18 maybe it can be worked on to do more? or at least it'd hopefully provide the room for a vpforce motor??

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:44 PM

but as you said, ffb in the throttle would allow for custom idel & a/b detents, custom throw length etc. it'd amazing just like a Rhino

AndyHill•1/10/24, 1:45 PM

zero sticktion damping and all the good stuffs

AndyHill•1/10/24, 1:45 PM

if done right

MMonkee I'd love to see a FFB 4th gen style throttle unit with simulated detents per pla...

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:50 PM

for me a proper next gen rhino would need to also include yoke adapter/grip - something like what is in airliners or some of the warbirds (like the p38 or bombers)

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:51 PM

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:52 PM

(I know you mentioned throttle and not grip :P)

JJon (Bounty_V)for me a proper next gen rhino would need to also include yoke adapter/grip - so...

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:52 PM

I think he meant 4th gen as in the era of jets. A FFB yoke is on my short list, right after rudder pedals

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:52 PM

yes

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:52 PM

i presume thats what he meant as well

JJon (Bounty_V)i presume thats what he meant as well

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:52 PM

oh sorry, I miss read

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:52 PM

but since we're wishlisting our dream products

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:53 PM

thats my dream product

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:53 PM

in addition to ffb throttle, of course

JJon (Bounty_V)thats my dream product

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:54 PM

I'd love a VPforce Yoke it could be the VPforce "Elephant" lol

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:54 PM

hahaha that'd be amazing

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:54 PM

crazy how well that fits

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:54 PM

ears and a trunk

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:54 PM

but if I have to diy I will, might just start by modding my logitech pedals with a vpforce kit, it's been done on here with a rather simple mod

JJon (Bounty_V)ears and a trunk

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:55 PM

oh I can see it! lmao

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:55 PM

im thinking by the time im ready to upgrade my pedals there will be established functionality to offer effects and what not moreso than what is currently on offer

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:56 PM

and ill get the mfg crosswind

JJon (Bounty_V)im thinking by the time im ready to upgrade my pedals there will be established ...

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:56 PM

I'll just be happy with the better feel & hopefully some basic heli support in dcs & msfs

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:56 PM

i am more than a little excited for ch-47

JJon (Bounty_V)and ill get the mfg crosswind

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:56 PM

that's what I'll be aiming for + the vpforce kit oh, chefs kiss

JJon (Bounty_V)i am more than a little excited for ch-47

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:57 PM

ooh yeah

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:57 PM

i wont be able to upgrade anything this year, but the nice thing about dcs is good things take time to build, and gives me time to save up money for whenever im ready

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:58 PM

and lets not forget msfs 2024 with all the whirlies and the career mode thing

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:58 PM

if someone who is semi active in this server goes to flight sim expo we need to convince them to convince asobo to add ffb

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:58 PM

I really want a cockpit/frame of some type this year, one of the nlr likely

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:59 PM

they've started using 8020 and it looks pretty solid

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 1:59 PM

whatever you get definitely get something with aluminum profiling

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 1:59 PM

probably one of the boeing or combat one's

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 2:00 PM

much more freedom in what you can do and how

JJon (Bounty_V)whatever you get definitely get something with aluminum profiling

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 2:00 PM

yeah this was the other thing I was thinking, if I can find one in Aus with profile I'd get that, but then with the price I could just look at making my own by then?

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 2:01 PM

there are sites that sell custom cut parts and have product lists pre set for cockpits that adds all necessary parts to cart, then you just source your own seat

PiNKSH!T•1/10/24, 2:01 PM

was also of the mind to build around the nlr frame using it as a base, then make a profile frame around it to hold side panels etc.

Jon (Bounty_V)•1/10/24, 2:01 PM

yeah really just depends on what you can get and from where