You can tune out the balance with balance spring + static force settings. It's a bit problematic sin

You can tune out the balance with balance spring + static force settings. It's a bit problematic since the TM is very heavy and the motors will have to constanly work. Likely heating up considerably.
There was a recent discussion here: 📃general

Leroy•1/17/24, 1:27 PM

Thanks @walmis ! I'll give it a go

Wwalmis Which aircraft?

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 2:19 PM

The F-15E.

DDuchess ✈The F-15E.

walmisOP•1/17/24, 2:22 PM

First thing to check is if the axis in VP configurator is correct, i.e. if you move the stick forward it should go up

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 2:28 PM

It does. The stick itself is working correctly. Because I had to install the base backwards, the stick axis had to be inverted, it works correctly. The trim hat, not only in button mode are they button pushes very vague (half the time when you push up in the trim switch it registers as a right push) on the hat switch, DCS is registering no effect in button mode. If I change the grip to a Virpil grip in the menu, a hat switch becomes available, but the switch appears inverted, meaning when I push nose down trim (hat switch up) the stick trims nose up.

walmisOP•1/17/24, 2:29 PM

Ah, so it's a switch problem?

Wwalmis Ah, so it's a switch problem?

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 2:32 PM

I think so. With the TM F-18 grip, I do not seem to be able to get the stick to recognize the hat switch, it recognizes it as button pushes. If I change the grip in the setup menu to a Virpil grip, it sees the hat switch as a hat switch, but then inverts the effect of pushing the switch, even though in the VP program I see the 'arrows' correctly displaced.

walmisOP•1/17/24, 2:34 PM

roger that, can you list the hat buttons that light up in the VPforce configurator, I'll add those to the next firmware as hat switches.
something like - "up:11, down:12" etc

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 2:38 PM

I have them memorized, LOL... Buttons 13, 14, 15, 16 starting at the left 9 o'clock position and cycling counter clockwise.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 2:42 PM

I plan on working more on it today.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 3:15 PM

Yep, very weird. I cannot seem to get the hat to register as a hat, it only registers as a button push.

Wwalmis You can tune out the balance with balance spring + static force settings. It's a...

Pikas62•1/17/24, 3:15 PM

That's not an unusual setup. Wouldn't it be better to be able to define the center with the offset in the calibration?

PPikas62 That's not an unusual setup. Wouldn't it be better to be able to define the cent...

walmisOP•1/17/24, 3:18 PM

You still need to balance it in software for good force trim performance

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 3:26 PM

Eureka moment! Okay, by selecting Virpil CM50 grip, it activated the hat switch, shows as Hat 1, then by reassigning the trim functions to Hat Viewpoint 4 in the controls page, it is working! It is making some of my other switches, notably the small Up-Down-Press switch that is not found on the real F-18 grip, but is added on the TM grip, appear to DCS as a hat switch. A little weird there, but definitely workable.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 3:27 PM

The only other thing I changed was inverting the Y axis in the DCS control software, and then checking the Inverted box in the Y axis for the VP Force config software.

Wwalmis You still need to balance it in software for good force trim performance

Pikas62•1/17/24, 3:27 PM

True

DDuchess ✈The only other thing I changed was inverting the Y axis in the DCS control softw...

walmisOP•1/17/24, 3:37 PM

Does the axis movement indicator correspond to actual axis movement in the VPforce config tool? If the axis is inverted, then there might be issues with wrong force direction.

DDuchess ✈The only other thing I changed was inverting the Y axis in the DCS control softw...

sydost•1/17/24, 3:42 PM

If you have inverted the axis in VPForce config and it moves in correct direction in the indicator then you shouldn’t need to invert it in DCS also. Try to uncheck the invert FFB Y-axis in DCS if you have that on.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 3:53 PM

I will check again.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 4:47 PM

I am getting a lot of Motor X FAULT_ENCODER_MAGNET, I am getting a lot of Motor Y FAULT_ENCODER_MAGNET, messages... is this because I have the Gain too high? Seems to happen when I make sudden moves with the stick.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 4:49 PM

Also occasionally get Motor X: FAULT_UNEXPECTED_D_CURRENT messages for Motor X and Motor Y.

DDuchess ✈I am getting a lot of Motor X FAULT_ENCODER_MAGNET, I am getting a lot of Motor ...

walmisOP•1/17/24, 5:15 PM

Yeah, some gain is too high and it enters protection mode.
Can you show your settings?

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 5:57 PM

I am using the default profile from the Import. I can post it later.

Wwalmis Yeah, some gain is too high and it enters protection mode. Can you show your se...

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:03 PM

fwiw, was doing some experiments a while back and loaded up the default profile, and noticed it had a tendency to spin out into faults quite easily, and so reverted back to my profile

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:03 PM

so wondering if the default profile needs some tuning

WingOver•1/17/24, 6:06 PM

Ask? Can we get a DCS Section with Sub folders for each A/C so we can discuss specific tuning issues in those channels? Looking for assistance with DCS-F14-Auto Pilot - Alt Hold issue. I think it might be Sim-A/C specific.

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:06 PM

that might be a bit overkill since there are many aircraft and modules, but what are your specific questions?

WingOver•1/17/24, 6:09 PM

DCS-F14-AP-Alt Hold - won't lock in / hold alt select alt with in game F14 specific FFB option on/or off when using TelemFFB. Getting ready to go down the rabbit hole of troubleshooting.... eg. with/without TelemFFB etc. Just wondering if anyone actually has it working with DCS 2.9 Beta.

WingOver•1/17/24, 6:12 PM

Note: There is an old DCS forum post about the F14 AP Alt Hold not working well, which was supposed to be patched, but need to verify current state with community to determine if it is a DCS / FFB / etc issue.

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:14 PM

hmmm, AP hold has generally been working fine for me, although I did a mission the other day, and was potentially noticing that it wasn't totally holding properly, or rather, it kinda was, but was swinging a bunch back and forth (i figured it maybe was related to turbulence or whatever, so i didn't really investigate further)

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:14 PM

it would be good to see if you can isolate more though -- e.g. is it an issue with telemffb not running?

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:15 PM

maybe take it a step further and also try a session with FFB in general disabled just using the rhino as a default spring joystick, and see if it's still an issue

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:15 PM

it also wouldn't surprise me if there's some DCS bug lol

WingOver•1/17/24, 6:17 PM

Yup, ok down the troubleshooting rabbit hole I'll go. I'll report back with what I find. Can you PM me your TelemFFB config and VPForce Configs for comparison?

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:18 PM

my vpforce config isn't really anything special, everything on 100%, except periodic effects at 50%, and friction at like 10%, all other default effects are essentially disabled (i have a balance spring I think though?), i can't get telemffb for you right now cause my stuff isn't connected so telem won't show me settings (currently workin rn too)

WingOver•1/17/24, 6:19 PM

NP, I'm also technically working...... we can touch base later when I have some notes to share.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 8:29 PM

The F-15E feels really loosely-goosey in the stick unless I crank everything up. A module specific set of settings would be great.

DDuchess ✈The F-15E feels really loosely-goosey in the stick unless I crank everything up....

Carlos NO2•1/17/24, 9:57 PM

Is this not already possible with VP configurator profiles that can be automatically applied by TelemFFB?

CCarlos NO2 Is this not already possible with VP configurator profiles that can be automatic...

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 10:04 PM

I have not noticed it doing that... maybe I have not properly set it up.

Carlos NO2•1/17/24, 10:04 PM

I haven’t done it myself but I have definitely read about that capability in the manual

DDuchess ✈I have not noticed it doing that... maybe I have not properly set it up.

Carlos NO2•1/17/24, 10:06 PM

Page 55 of the manual: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y

Google Docs

VPforce Rhino Manual

Sunshine•1/17/24, 10:30 PM

Is this the right place to ask about shipping date on order #612?

FlatSpin•1/17/24, 10:31 PM

dm Walmis

Sunshine•1/17/24, 10:43 PM

I don't know how to DM in Discord

Sunshine•1/17/24, 10:44 PM

@walmis do you have shipping date for order #612?

FlatSpin•1/17/24, 10:45 PM

right click username and there is a "message" option

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 10:48 PM

Here are my settings now. I backed them off a bit from the default config.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 10:48 PM

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 11:13 PM

I keep getting Fault_encoder_magnet errors.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 11:22 PM

I am not sure what is happening, although it is probably because of user error. The Rhino will work okay in the F-15E, then when I move to another plane, the F-5E for example, it seems to want a complete recalibration or reboot. I jumped into the F-5E, the stick works for a minute then I get the fault encoder magnet error. Reset, unplug, plug back in, it goes away, recalibrate then it seems to be fine, as long as I do not yank the stick around.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 11:23 PM

LOL, in the end, it might actually make me a smoother pilot.

You can tune out the balance with balance spring + static force settings. It's a bit problematic sin

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