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toolbox/distrobox rhel

that part i think needs some more thinking, are we talking about using the toolbox command instead or running the toolbox image inside distrobox like we do now?

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:19 PM

here

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:20 PM

https://github.com/ublue-os/config/issues/186 specifically came out of a PR to add rhel toolboxes

GitHub

provide option to use toolbox in our distrobox just recipes · Issue...

I suggest maybe add an argument to all our distrobox recipes which allows toggling toolbox, and perhaps allows setting an env var which defaults to toolbox. The idea people that some users definite...

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:20 PM

because if it is the latter, we can just supply a -toolbox.ini

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:21 PM

the original ticket was not for adding rhel distroboxes but actually to add them with toolbox because ostensibly, "real RHEL people" are using toolbox, not distrobox

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:21 PM

and toolbox can't do ini files

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:22 PM

so, i approved a PR which did add rhel images to distrobox ... but with the caveat, and creation of ticket 186

Jj0rge and toolbox can't do ini files

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:22 PM

hence i wanted to ask if we were talking about toolbox image or toolbox the binary

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:23 PM

I had intended to implement a just arg for the distrobox images which could make them toobox instead... but then you @HikariKnight started your efforts so i wanted to get out of theway

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:23 PM

yeah the red hatters use

toolbox

toolbox

the binary, they don't use distrobox at all. So the idea was "if you're using rhel then let's give it to them the way redhat wants it"

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:23 PM

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HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:23 PM

i will see if i can come up with something for toolbox, if i can make it use the ini files that would be awesome too, less maintenance work

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:23 PM

but there's also like zero reason to use toolbox for everyone else

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:24 PM

if its just a check for the rhel/fedora image then thats easy

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:24 PM

well should be easy

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:25 PM

i imagined that either an environment variable or an arg to all the distrobox just recipes would flip between using distrobox or toolbox... but there's different args for each, too

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:25 PM

but still, it would make us more friendly to people who may wish to use toolbox not distrobox

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:25 PM

ujust toolbox-ujust toolbox- here we come

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:26 PM

but once you started working, i wasn't really sure how it would look.

just wanting to make sure the context is clear here

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:26 PM

yeah I'm not sure it's worth the added complexity to have people switch to a tool we specifically moved away from, but don't have strong opinions as long as it's well scoped and distrobox is the default

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:26 PM

like, if people ask which should I use we tell them distrobox but having a choice implies that using toolbox is fine

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:26 PM

toolbox IS fine

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:26 PM

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:27 PM

if args can be relatively translated, it can be added to the distrobox tooling (at least the DistroboxDistrobox function)

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:27 PM

if it cant then its a separate just recipe

HHikariKnight if it cant then its a separate just recipe

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:28 PM

i do think your changes got rid of all the distrobox-FOOdistrobox-FOO recipes and replaced with a single

distrobox

distrobox

which takes an arg/choice, right?

if that's the case, then having

toolbox

toolbox

in addition to

distrobox

distrobox

may be fine

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:28 PM

but i do see what Jorge is saying... having both implies they can both be used

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:29 PM

and they can... but it's confusing

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:29 PM

yeah i got rid of all the distrobox-foo commands

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:29 PM

right and then we'll have people saying "I can't use this properly" because they're following fedora's recommendations

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:29 PM

i wish we'd started with "toolbox-foo" but used distrobox as the implementation... since even distrobox uses the "toolbox" container tag

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:29 PM

"how come I use ublue and I can't create seperate home directories for my toolboxes?"

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:30 PM

(I'm playing devil's advocate)

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:30 PM

but our just recipe doesn't create separate home dirs

j0rge•1/18/24, 6:30 PM

no what I'm saying is we use distrobox instead of toolbox

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:30 PM

and i don't think it should... should be a simple set of defaults

Jj0rge no what I'm saying is we use distrobox instead of toolbox

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:30 PM

but we don't remove toolbox

Bbsherman but our just recipe doesn't create separate home dirs

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:30 PM

new one has an arg for it but only if you pass it, it never asks if you do the "guided tour"

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:31 PM

@HikariKnight : you've seen our respective thoughts

please crank out something awesome and we'll go from there

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:32 PM

we DO need another approver on the first PR though...

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:32 PM

i think the easiest would be a toolbox-toolbox- recipe with its own tooling

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:33 PM

but you cant use

toolbox

toolbox

and

distrobox

distrobox

at the same time for containers? if so i can write in a check for that

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:34 PM

as i have 0 experience with toolbox, didnt exist last time i touched a centos box

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:34 PM

well, it existed before distrobox

Bbsherman well, it existed before distrobox 😉

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:34 PM

last time i touched a centos box i believe dnf didnt exist

HHikariKnight i think the easiest would be a `toolbox-` recipe with its own tooling

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:35 PM

i don't think it would be horrible... the "docstring" for distrobox-distrobox- could say "Create a toolbox container (using uBlue recommend distrobox)" and

toolbox

toolbox

docstring could say "Alternative way to create toolbox containers"

or something

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:35 PM

"the RedHat way to create toolbox containers"

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:36 PM

yeah, something like that

HikariKnightOP•1/18/24, 6:36 PM

toolbox can use normal images or is it limited to just toolbox tailored images?

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:37 PM

they both use the same images these days, I think

bsherman•1/18/24, 6:37 PM

that was the original inspiration for distrobox, i think, ability to use "non-standard" images, but then toolbox added the same thing

toolbox/distrobox rhel

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