Over 2000 chunks loaded, and 14tps with only two of us online.
Me and my friends have been creating a server for the last two months and weve been creating the permissions, organizing luckperms, building a spawn structure.
We made the decision to create a map room with appx. 700 maps put on item frames.
There has been no issues regarding lag or a drop in tps ever since weve built the map. But after finishing the rest of our builds and permissions for spawn, we randomly we dropped to 14tps and apparently over 2000+ chunks are loaded according to our plugin through bisecthosting.
I attached a link of our /timings and bisect hosting stats
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Aikar's Timings Viewer
Aikar's Timings Viewer - View Timings v2 reports from Paper and Sponge
Timings Analysis
These are not magic values. Many of these settings have real consequences on your server's mechanics. See this guide for detailed information on the functionality of each setting.
❌ Aikar's Flags
❌ ClearLag
Plugins that claim to remove lag actually cause more lag.
❌ chunk-gc.period-in-ticks
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 400.
❌ ticks-per.monster-spawns
Increase this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 4.
❌ spawn-limits.monsters
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 15.
❌ spawn-limits.water-ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ spawn-limits.ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 1.
❌ spawn-limits.animals
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ entity-activation-range.animals
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.monsters
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.misc
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.water
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
Requested by juberoni#0 • Page 1 of 5
!spark
Spark Profiler
Spark can be used to see why your server or client is lagging.
https://spark.lucko.me/
Admincraft Canned Responses
pls
spark
wait bisect adds a plugin to your server
:ewwtf:
IS THAT BAD???
downloading spark right now
idk honestly its just sketch and kinda gross tbh
/spark profiler start --timeout 600i got in contact with bisect support so they could change our JVM to aikars too
alright
this opened when i did that command
forgot the r in
profiler
mb
edited messageokay! so come back in 10ms?
yep it will drop a link in chat & console
perfect :) tyyyy
I also suggest disabling timings in the spigot config file. it is heavy on your server tick
but that can be done later
yes yes thats true i was about to shut off the server and do that but i realized we started spark LOL
spark
spark is a performance profiler for Minecraft clients, servers, and proxies.
Spark Profile Analysis
These are not magic values. Many of these settings have real consequences on your server's mechanics. See this guide for detailed information on the functionality of each setting.
❌ Aikar's Flags
❌ chunk-gc.period-in-ticks
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 400.
❌ ticks-per.monster-spawns
Increase this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 4.
❌ spawn-limits.monsters
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 15.
❌ spawn-limits.water-ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ spawn-limits.ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 1.
❌ spawn-limits.animals
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ entity-activation-range.animals
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.monsters
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.misc
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.water
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.villagers
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
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heres the spark
another problem were running into is people getting kicked for spamming for simply talking in chat?
got busy ill check now
wow that is a strange spark report
@jube are you using any command blocks or datapacks?
Oh dear
also you can check if they have datapacks xd
wait no
Thats... what I just asked...
no as in the spark profiler
I could be hallucinating
I dont remember how to check for datapacks
I swear to god you could check datapacks
maybe it’s just for modded
same here
because there’s usually an Other tab
when you click through information button
but yeah that spark profiler is weird af
something is spamming a heavy command it looks like
could it be the bisect plugin? the spark report refrences chunk data and entity data and thats exactly what the panel is pulling for data..
but why is spark not blaming the plugin
hmmmm
When I used bisect I don’t think I had any issues with it
Idk if their plugin is open source
io.papermc.paper.chunk.system.entity.EntityLookup.a()
net.minecraft.commands.arguments.ArgumentEntity.getEntity
Theories:
1. command blocks
2. datapack
3. that damn plugin
I honestly dont know what else it could be I would check all 3we are!
why is bisect still running l4j patch for 1.20 servers?
could you show us what your using?
oh! and where can i change these?
wdym by that?
these are the datapacks!
@Skullians any that stand out to you? I dont use them really and avoid em
those 3 are the only ones I could think of
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
datapacks aren't always the best as not all authors are good at making them performant and its hard to track down as they dont show up in a spark report like plugins do
ohhhh okay okay
imho its always best try to and find a plugin alternative if possible
okay i just took out all our datapacks but one of them allows us to have our avatars in the world?
wdym by avatars?
should hopefully be fine.
still dropped down to 15 tps
can you send another spark?
chunks are still 2000+?
yeah!! same command?
do 300 at the end
okay!
/spark profiler start --timeout 300How many players do you have online
0 just me
they look alright tbh
simulation-distance: 16 woah
just found this
16 sim distance??:pain:
take that down
spark
spark is a performance profiler for Minecraft clients, servers, and proxies.
Spark Profile Analysis
These are not magic values. Many of these settings have real consequences on your server's mechanics. See this guide for detailed information on the functionality of each setting.
❌ Aikar's Flags
❌ chunk-gc.period-in-ticks
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 400.
❌ ticks-per.monster-spawns
Increase this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 4.
❌ spawn-limits.monsters
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 15.
❌ spawn-limits.water-ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ spawn-limits.ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 1.
❌ spawn-limits.animals
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ entity-activation-range.animals
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.monsters
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.misc
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.water
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.villagers
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
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Requested by juberoni#0 • Page 1 of 4
aint no way a
E5-2643 v3 can handle 16 sim distanceIS THAT BAD?? :skul:
View distance should be 8 max
sim should be 6
Also, you have 600+ item frames somewhere
we have a 7950x dedi server and we only do 6 iirc
and 120+ armor stands
Also, bisect sucks
it is awful, terrible hardware for terrible prices
we do! in my first message i said we have a map room with 700 maps lol
no offence
ah
wait wtf???
same area as all the item frames
honestly were open to any better options! finding a good service here in canada has been hard for us
so check around there
just use a US host
you will be fine
Check out #marketplace - make a post in there with your PLEB
!pleb
What's your PLEB?
Plan/Players
Location
Edition
Budget
hard recommend https://bloom.host/
Bloom.Host
Bloom Host | Dedicated Minecraft Hosting, VPS and Bare Metal
Bloom offers Ryzen 9 dedicated Minecraft server hosting, dedicated Virtual Private Servers and Bare Metal. Experience the outstanding performance of Bloom!
and yeah, a US host will be fine, the ping difference will be almost unnoticeable
okay!!
^^
The three hosts I say to always avoid are apex, bisect and shockbyte, although shockbyte is changing.
The majority of hosts in #marketplace are very good apart from one or two summer hosts.
Bloom, Berrybyte, enviro, servcity, clovux, lilypad, gamepacket, birdflop, winternode, witherhosting, ultra servers are all trustworthy
thank you both so much 🥹
also, I recommend you move to pufferfish instead of paper, it’s paper but with more performance :)
Tip 1
Leave bisect
and i just want to make sure if we do decide on this we can just transfer our world?
purpur is a good choice also has the same performance patches as puffer plus some extra features
Yes
Likely
Save it as zip and buy a server elsewhere
And import through sftp
(So keep your bisect server till then)
and lower your sim distance from 16 💀
where can i find this :skul:
wait your view distance is 10???
server.properties
should i turn this down??
yes
view 8 maximum
simulation 6 maximum
ehh you can push view higher once you have better hardware
yeah true
but still keep sim lower
okay i didnt even realize bisect was so shit?? wtf
Bisect, apex, shockbyte
xeon cpu from 2014 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/81900/intel-xeon-processor-e5-2643-v3-20m-cache-3-40-ghz.html
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2643 v3 (20M Cache, 3.40 GHz) Product Spe...
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2643 v3 (20M Cache, 3.40 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.
Pebblehost too
probly over sold node also
How much was he paying for that..
thats actually so fucked
Jube.. how much did you pay these wet dogs..
guys thank you all so much we be getting scammed 😭
pebble is okish
they are doing better
Eh yea thats true
JUBE HOW MUCH DID U PAY MAN
44.91 USD...
WHAT THE FUCK
Monthly..?
how much RAM?
is that quarterly
please tell me it is
please
9GB ram 😭
:NOOOO:
Wait
Is that monthly
Or quarterly
monthly...
MY GUY
YOU ARE NOT GETTING SCAMMED
you could get more ram on better cpu for that money
YOURE GETTING RAPED
and save money
Bro for 50 bucks
You could get a dedi
On servcity
I wouldn't honestly
And it'd be 64gb ram with ryzen 5 8500G
I mean ofc its not worth it for him, but comparison
fyi a dedi is a dedicated server, it’s an entire server that you have full access to, terminal access everything
which isn’t needed for most use cases
but yeah like humik said it’s just for comparison
Yeah but a simple comparison on what you could have
Instead of 7gb
Xeon
Older than my grandma
Where are you located jube?
What location do you prefer**
eastern us/canada
Honestly just do !pleb
!pleb
What's your PLEB?
Plan/Players
Location
Edition
Budget
(We can do this here right)
Wait
Did you purchase premium plan
Cause i mean there's lots of hosts to choose from but bisect is just not it
Survival Server/20
Eastern USA
Java
$35
yeah
:pain:
9GB is £35 a month
£21 for ‘budget’
Jesus
yo WTF I went on bisect website and put randomly 70 players for their plan finder thing and it says I need 19 GB OF RAM FOR THAT
aint no way you need 19 gb of ram
Joever
Eastern US can be lot
they have no experience LMAO
I mean theres new york
To fool the stupid
Theyre not dumb
They know
make a post in #marketplace saying your PLEB
yeah! this works!
Ultraservers
Is one
Idk much about US hosts
let him make his post
smh
Yeah
Thats the first step to fixing your performance issue
2nd*
sim distance 💀
man this is just predatory
nobody needs 20gb for a single server
not even with 100 players
1. Change hosts
2. Fix render + sim distance
3. Switch to Pufferfish instead of paper - https://pufferfish.host/downloads
Pufferfish Host | Downloads - Pufferfish Fork
Download Pufferfish and Pufferfish+ Minecraft server jars
Nobody needs to pay 100 bucks
wait but can pufferfish work with Geisyer?
yes
pufferfish is literally paper but with better performance
exact same apart from more performance
(sorry for all the questions im new to all this 😭 )
all good!
just from your guys perspective how much ram would you say would be the best for my pleb
8gb is more than enough for 20 people
say we ever wanted to add a modpack, would 8 still be enough?
yeah most likely
Well
depends on the amount of people
if you’re looking at 15+ concurrent players you’re more better with 12
modpacks are always much heavier
depends on the modpack
^ and that
some are light some like ATM9 take a bunch
okay! that def makes sense
If you’re making a custom modpack you’ll just have to try it and see
another quick question i had was how would i go about saving our world with migrating to a different provider?
would i just zip all these folders into one?
yup pretty much
you can always use backups
iirc bisect has them
then just download it
sweet! okay okay!
assuming they backup the entire server not just the world, make sure to check that
thats what I would do
id assume this is the whole server?
yes but double check it after download
okay!
i just took a look and i was curious about the cpu core difference with what we have now and what a server like bloom/ultraservers has
Those CPUs are MUCH better than bisects
a Ryzen 9 5950x is a very good cpu
There is no way bisect is giving you that whole xeon cpu btw
oh yeah ^
XEON????
probly only 1-2 cores
LMAO
yep
dawg
and its from 2014
and probly oversold also
okay realistically talking i do all the moderation for my friends server (he pays for it)
and this is making me like CRINGEEEEEE
ultra servers uses a epyc 9654 bloom uses 5950x ryzen bloom cores perform better but ultra gives you more https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5088vs3862/AMD-EPYC-9654-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X
both are better than bisect but its a choice if you want better cores or more cores
sweeeet
what would more cores do vs better cores?
for Minecraft, single threaded score matters more
well both services allow splitting plans into multiple mc servers
so there is that
Minecraft is primarily single threaded which means the majority of the things it does is on one thread, so single threaded matters more - paper does offload some stuff but mainly single threaded
okay! that makes sense
but still what skullian said
its a big balancing act
do you want multiple servers or a single powerful server?
id say one powerful
then id go for hosts that use ryzen
^^
epycs just have a ton of cores / threads, Ryzens have less but their cores / threads are much more powerful
after using Aikars flags its def improved too, honestly makes so much sense now that this server is running off of a mf XEON
but still epycs are better than the garbage bisect is selling you
still SHOULDNT be that high??
The amount of chunks being loaded makes sense tbh
thats after lowering sim?
send another spark
Spawn chunks, plus counts entity rendering, lazy chunks; everything
I usually disable spawn chunk loading
fair enough
yeah after lowering sim
and you disabled timings right?
i just did rn
another 5mins?
yeah
will this spark be with timings disabled?
yes
man I just checked bisect is loading those xeons with 256gb of ram
:pain:
kinda surprised its not more
yeah
node cpu usage is ~50%
:sus:
go into spectator mode. are those a single armor stand?
woah wtf??
OUCH
yikes
I would get rid of them honestly
that’s your 120+ armor stands
what did you use for them?
or disable ticking in the paper config
^
a datapack
its just something i see all the time in servers, if its so laggy then how do server usually have them where you can interact with them?
spark
spark is a performance profiler for Minecraft clients, servers, and proxies.
Spark Profile Analysis
These are not magic values. Many of these settings have real consequences on your server's mechanics. See this guide for detailed information on the functionality of each setting.
❌ chunk-gc.period-in-ticks
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 400.
❌ ticks-per.monster-spawns
Increase this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 4.
❌ spawn-limits.monsters
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 15.
❌ spawn-limits.water-ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ spawn-limits.ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 1.
❌ spawn-limits.animals
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ entity-activation-range.animals
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.monsters
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.misc
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.water
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.villagers
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.wake-up-inactive.villagers-for
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 20.
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Requested by juberoni#0 • Page 1 of 4
they use npcs usually
Have you tried removing the bisect hosting plugin?
See if that fixes the issue, you can use /spark tps, or /spark healthreport to see TPS / ram usage
ill try that rn
bisect
regular flags
why do bisect "aikars" look wrong
:Sus:
oh they are wrong..
oh my
smh they use always pre touch
they couldn't even do aikar flags correctly
smhhh
LMFAO
@jube im sorry but your bisect support rep is incompetent
of course they all 😭
couldn't even copy paste from a site like https://flags.sh/
Still can’t believe they use multi craft
Even shockbyte moved away
wait wtf
yep
they used the jvm flags for if your using more than 12gb of ram
he doesn't have a 12gb plan..
:pain:
wtf are they doing
okay actually wtf :skul: what is this company
a joke
have you removed the plugin yet?
yep!
the recent spark is still blaming the same stuff so I am thinking its the plugin now
2500ms and 50 ticks behind
what’s the TPS?
/spark tps
Spark Profiler
Spark can be used to see why your server or client is lagging.
https://spark.lucko.me/
Admincraft Canned Responses
ignore carl
carl is a little special
when he works yes lmao
half the time he’s offline
thats after removing the plugin???
wtf
Do you have any command blocks you know of
That are running
no datapacks no plugin now..
it’s defo a datapack, or some fucked up plugin
they are enabled..
so possible
try disable command blocks in server.properties
can you disable them and restart real quick
although I’d take a backup before that just in case
these light use command blocks
smh bad internet got me
this uses commands too
skill issue I’m using mobile data :hehehe:
but would those really cause all that lag?
Yeah, take a backup and try turn off command blocks in properties
you’d be surprised
im on school internet shared by over 100 people right now
ouch
skill issue again :peepoRun:
tcan i backup the server rn?? our last backup on bisect was 3.5 hrs ago :Klee_sobs:
you should be able to?
not sure how their backups work
same
Just stop the server, go to backups and make one
heres it without command blocks
spark report?
wtf
spark
spark is a performance profiler for Minecraft clients, servers, and proxies.
Spark Profile Analysis
These are not magic values. Many of these settings have real consequences on your server's mechanics. See this guide for detailed information on the functionality of each setting.
❌ chunk-gc.period-in-ticks
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 400.
❌ ticks-per.monster-spawns
Increase this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 4.
❌ spawn-limits.monsters
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 15.
❌ spawn-limits.water-ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ spawn-limits.ambient
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 1.
❌ spawn-limits.animals
Decrease this in bukkit.yml.
Recommended: 5.
❌ entity-activation-range.animals
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.monsters
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.misc
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.water
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 12.
❌ entity-activation-range.villagers
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 16.
❌ entity-activation-range.wake-up-inactive.villagers-for
Decrease this in spigot.yml.
Recommended: 20.
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Requested by juberoni#0 • Page 1 of 4
This is definitely a plugin
Which makes no sense
Also, please get rid of ClearLag
this just looks like a datapack
!clearlag
datapack*
they removed them all afaik
this is caused by a datapack
and disabled command blocks
i kinda doubt that
check functions ig
@jube have you removed all your datapacks?
did spark remove datapacks I stg they used to show up on spark reports
they do on modded
ah
that’s why
also really not useful
yeah the only thing I can think of now is datapack
spark is usually pretty good at blaming plugins
well i can see its command functions
which 99% of the time are just datapacks
afaik he said he removed everything except the statues datapack
@jube do they move?
please tell me they do not
if they move....
yikes
I swear it wouldn’t even be hard to implement datapacks for spark’s plugin
then pr
i cba atm
its not like they can specify how laggy they are
only specify they exist
it would just be nice to have a list of loaded datapacks
yeah but the plugin version doesn’t even show the datapacks
yeah
that’s what would be easy to implement i think
just get the world name -> get worldname/datapacks folder -> iterate through the files
idk if they’d even support it, idk how their backend works tbh
Ultraservers is cheaper
Than bloom
Afaik
It depends how much performance u need
It is mods like skullian said so it might be better to have bloom
its to show your server on other bisect servers
honestly because ultraservers has the server split along with giving more of the epyc cpu it’s more suited to having multiple medium performance servers
whereas modded and/or big public servers would be more suited to bloom
Maybe one day servcity could add more locations
Still gross
Whats gross is breakdownxyx promoting that shithole
180k subs or so and hes partnered with bisect smh
i mean
Have you seen how many people are sponsored by bisect
xd
Prolly a lot
so many YouTubers, mod devs
Its a pity though
Inexperienced get tricked
Into that BS
Thats a scam literally
agreed
breakdown in a whole is gross lol
his video was the reason i downloaded a server jar online
Because i didnt know how to update my version 💀
yes, but feature wise its not even really close
Yeah bloom is supposedly one of the top tier hosts ive heard
But ultraservers also works, depends if you really have a need for that many features that bloom offers
bloom while a bit more expensive (for their essentials/performance plans) does use cpus with a slightly better singlethreaded scored cpu
Yeah thats true, does bloom plan 7950Xs by any chance?
they will go straight next amd gen
Only dedi
so ryzen 9xxx
But 20 players shouldn't require a 7950x
he was asking for his own server
most likely
Ah
Lul filter?
nah i removed it
Sick
Well for that server it depends how many mods you have
Bloom might be slight overkill but it does come with more features
Ultraserver is cheaper, weaker cpu and less features
There is still ryzen 3000 which is fairly similar to the epyc
and still get all the features
pretty much anything he gets is better than bisect
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3598vs3862vs5088vs2479/AMD-Ryzen-9-3950X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X-vs-AMD-EPYC-9654-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5-2643-v3
two ryzens, an epyc, and then bisect...
:KEKEKW:
hey yall!! im sorry it was like 5am where i am
game over
okay so our command blocks still move
wdym command blocks moving?
making the lamps move
thats probly just redstone
okay so i saw you guys said for me to remove ALL the datapacks??
what is enabled right now?
i just took everything out ill check rn
still 50 ticks behind
can you run
/datapack list and /datapack list enabled
and also send another spark
^
running a 5m one rn
just wondering bc we talked about it but more cores = we can have more than one server but running at less power
but with with less cores (ryzen) theyre more powerful for a single server?
spark
spark is a performance profiler for Minecraft clients, servers, and proxies.
Spark Profile Analysis
These are not magic values. Many of these settings have real consequences on your server's mechanics. See this guide for detailed information on the functionality of each setting.
✅ Your server isn't lagging
Your server is running fine with an average TPS of 20.
Requested by juberoni#0 • Page 1 of 4
back up to 20tps