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Deployments aren't doing nothing

I am trying to deploy hedgedoc, and the deploy doesn't do nothing and it fails after a few minutes. Not positive what to do about this

Percy•16d ago

Project ID: 3c13fb70-b70a-46cd-8d38-5e57856447ad

Ping for toast•16d ago

3c13fb70-b70a-46cd-8d38-5e57856447ad

Ping for toast•16d ago

oh ok this is something

Ping for toast•16d ago

I don't know why it would be saying this, because railway is clearly able to figure out it does in fact exist

Brody•16d ago

you better post this in #🤡｜memes-only before i do

Ping for toast•16d ago

hmm, it's still not toing anything for me

Ping for toast•16d ago

Ohhh

Ping for toast•16d ago

lets go ok

Ping for toast•16d ago

😭

Ping for toast•16d ago

is there any way to make railway not obscure what is actually happening this error is annoying

Brody•16d ago

your application didn't respond lol what else could it tell you? https://docs.railway.app/guides/fixing-common-errors

Ping for toast•16d ago

I just wish it would show me it not responding the error returned by the server or if the server is hanging, just show that instead of inserting it's own response

Brody•16d ago

there was no error, your app did not respond what so ever

Ping for toast•16d ago

then show that

Brody•16d ago

it is

Ping for toast•16d ago

not really, because if I go to an IP I own on a real server and type in some random port, it just hangs forever the server simply does not respond

Brody•16d ago

why would that be an acceptable alternative?

Ping for toast•16d ago

because that is what servers normally do I've had issues with railway before where it seems like this page is cached and it takes it a good 30 seconds to update the cache

Brody•16d ago

right but how does hanging help you more than that page? its not and it takes my app a good 30 seconds to respond*

Ping for toast•16d ago

maybe its because I'm used to servers doing normal things, but it is a lot more clear to me when I see this

Ping for toast•16d ago

even though it's like... objectively less clear

Brody•16d ago

how is chrome's error page better?

Ping for toast•16d ago

because that is the default behavior when you request a server and there is no port. The server just doesn't respond because it doesn't have anything to respond with, and the browser gives up

Brody•16d ago

and the default behavior on railway is to tell you that your app didnt respond

Ping for toast•16d ago

the departure from standard is just confusing to me. I don't know. I think we just want different things

Brody•16d ago

im sure heroku and fly has similar pages

Ping for toast•16d ago

I guess one other thing I have actually legitimate complaint with railway is my umami instance was taking ridiculous amount of resources. Eventually I gave up on railway and switched to hetzner. It wasn't really railway's fault, but I quickly figured out what the issue was on hetzner because I could ssh in and when I saw htop, I saw postgres was running 15 count(*) queries per second and as far as I'm aware you can't just ssh into railway like that?

Brody•16d ago

correct

Ping for toast•16d ago

yeah

Ping for toast•16d ago

oh here was the bruh moment in question

Brody•16d ago

though i dont think youd need ssh to find out how many queries are being ran

Ping for toast•16d ago

unrelated but will this work in the template composer?

Ping for toast•16d ago

provided the PGUSER variables are set and such

Brody•16d ago

yeah, why wouldnt it?

Ping for toast•16d ago

just checking, I haven't used the new composer ohhh @Brody the cache I was thinking of was the Nothing here... yet

Brody•16d ago

also not cache, just need a bit of time for railway to update the routing tables

Brody•16d ago

seems a little broken

Brody•16d ago

- change PORT to ${{CMD_PORT}} - add CMD_PROTOCOL_USESSL set to true - add CMD_SESSION_SECRET set to ${{secret(64)}} - add a health check set to /_health - rename template and service Hedgedoc -> HedgeDoc (since thats how they case the name) - set a service icon for HedgeDoc

Ping for toast•16d ago

did you fix this? doesn't happen for me

Brody•16d ago

your browser might be auto upgrading http requests, please make sure to apply all my suggested changes

Ping for toast•16d ago

alr I've made all the suggested changes doing a test deply

Brody•16d ago

that was fast

Ping for toast•16d ago

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Brody•16d ago

do you like the new template composer?

Ping for toast•16d ago

Yeah, much better than the old one the old one was awful the one thing is in the new one I can't create volumes

Brody•16d ago

yes you can?

Ping for toast•16d ago

how?

Ping for toast•16d ago

Brody•16d ago

your two services already have volumes

Ping for toast•16d ago

even when they didn't there wasn't an option

Brody•16d ago

if there wasnt an option how did you end up adding the volumes

Ping for toast•16d ago

what I did was create it in the "new project" and then create the template from there

Brody•16d ago

Ping for toast•16d ago

O, that should be added to the add service button as well because you can do that in the project composer they should probably just use the exact same component in both contexts

Ping for toast•16d ago

https://hedgedoc-production.up.railway.app/ does this look better to you?

HedgeDoc - Ideas grow better together

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Brody•16d ago

it works!

Ping for toast•16d ago

cool beans the only thing is I'm not sure how to change capitalization in the template store

Brody•16d ago

that would be done via the update button

Ping for toast•16d ago

where? and how do I change the description

Brody•16d ago

also the update button

Brody•16d ago

Ping for toast•16d ago

Oh, this is another UX hard edge I think because there is also this

Brody•16d ago

well the buttons do very different things

Ping for toast•16d ago

and there's an update button here

Ping for toast•16d ago

yes they do, but the update button should also be in the hamburger at the very least

Ping for toast•16d ago

and likewise, inside the composer, this button should take you to the edit panel you see when publishing a new template

Brody•16d ago

that button edits the name lol

Ping for toast•16d ago

Yes, it should bring up the ~~edit~~ sorry update menu instead or there should be a button to do so in the composer but that would get confusing

Brody•16d ago

i think its pretty straight forward how it is right now tbh

Ping for toast•16d ago

this is the menu I'm talking about btw

Brody•16d ago

yes i know

Ping for toast•16d ago

I'm simply stating that this is very clearly a UX difficulty I just experienced. If the railway team considers this difficulty to be a skill issue on my part, that's fine obviously at a certain point of idiocracy you need to call it quits

Brody•16d ago

i cant speak for the team, but i do :kekw:

Ping for toast•16d ago

but watching users try to do something and seeing their painpoints is very helpful

Ping for toast•16d ago

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Brody•16d ago

i do not have the attention span for a 24 minute video lol

Ping for toast•16d ago

the part from 1:00 to 2:00 is most relevant and then you can just skip to a random point to see painpoints she experiences

Brody•16d ago

video from 2007 💀

Ping for toast•16d ago

he basically tells her to do certain tasks and watches the ways she screws up doing said tasks "I don't know what an iPhone app is" quote from vid btw

Brody•16d ago

so what i do every single day?

Ping for toast•16d ago

right, but then the next step in UX testing is asking yourself if that painpoint can be reduced which you cant because you don't work for railway but railway should do this

Brody•16d ago

i mean theres only so much you can do before the UI starts looking like a kids toy

Ping for toast•16d ago

Sure. There's a balance before you start pandering to idiots.

Brody•16d ago

you get it 😉

Ping for toast•16d ago

Say with this. I thought there was a cache on these error messages. You told me that the routing tables needs to be updated. If I was a programmer working at railway, I would think "Ok, nothing here... yet" does not convey that something will be here soon clear enough. We should add subtext that says "Please wait a few moments for routing tables to update" because I guarantee you if you asked 100 new users what this means, nobody would guess it means routing tables are updating and no action is required on your part

Brody•16d ago

... yet should give you a good idea i could ask 1000 users what a service is and they wouldnt know what it is

Ping for toast•16d ago

I just asked a community of programmers, I've gotten one response so far

Ping for toast•16d ago

Brody•16d ago

what are they even talking about though? did you even mention php?

Ping for toast•16d ago

No. the intent is to ask a general community of programmers what this page means to them in a deployment context because to me it looks like a 404 page

Brody•16d ago

probably a good time to mention this, the nothing here yet page is not going to exist forever, at some point railway will roll out a change and you will never have to wait for such things

Ping for toast•16d ago

Right. I get it. I'm just saying that ambiguities impact a great number of professional programmers. If a number of users ask the same question, it is possibly a UX issue

Ping for toast•16d ago

which they do, fwiw