@AndyHill @TorTorden here's a compilation of grip weights for reference: MCGP 331g, WW18 428g A

@AndyHill @TorTorden here's a compilation of grip weights for reference:

MCGP 331g,

WW18 428g

Alpha 509g,

MCGU 594g,

Alpha Prime 606g,

WW16EX 613~629g

Warthog 1023g

Spelljammer1OP•5/14/24, 12:54 PM

Personally, I went with as much weight reduction as possible, which was the RealSim grip because it also saved me the weight and length of the WW adapter + the angle adapter for the F16 grip.

Spelljammer1OP•5/14/24, 12:55 PM

But this is for a side-stick optimised configuration

Bob Bushman•5/14/24, 1:11 PM

Aye the RS grips sounds sweet, still €500 for juat the home version.

Kinda of funny its the lightest as its also built to handle significant force for the force sensing bases.
Virpil and tm grips have been known to snap off those after some use.

MichalK•5/14/24, 1:25 PM

There's also Tianhang, 350g

MashedPotato•5/14/24, 1:25 PM

I've never seen a report of a Virpil snapping on those (they aren't even officially supported in the firmware), but the TM part that snaps isn't the grip, it's the potmetal neck of the connector

SSpelljammer1 We have a detent system now? Did I miss a firmware update? 😮

Fierce_Fire•5/14/24, 1:58 PM

Its supposed to be a sysyem for ffb shifters

Fierce_Fire•5/14/24, 1:58 PM

But if we can modify the profile, it shouldnt be too hard to make it capable of liftable detents

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/14/24, 2:11 PM

I didn't know the MCGP was so light compared to others

Red Magic•5/14/24, 2:17 PM

Any update on the FFB rudder kit?

FFierce_Fire Its supposed to be a sysyem for ffb shifters

Spelljammer1OP•5/14/24, 2:37 PM

ah so that's not out yet. I missunderstood the tenses.

JJon (Bounty_V)I didn't know the MCGP was so light compared to others

Spelljammer1OP•5/14/24, 2:37 PM

yeah it really is. unfortunately that also translates as a feeling of rather hollow plastic, compared to any other choice in the top range.

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/14/24, 2:40 PM

I've not used anything else so far

AndyHill•5/14/24, 2:51 PM

plastic is fine really, I just really don't like the feel of the VKB plastics (only tried their basic stick though, can't remember the name)

AndyHill•5/14/24, 2:51 PM

Virpil plastic (mongoos cm2) had a nicer feel to it, but I didn't like its buttons

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/14/24, 2:54 PM

I upgraded from Thrustmaster HOTAS 4 to VKB MCGP to Rhino with VKB adapter

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/14/24, 2:55 PM

I have had hands on an MCGU MK IV tho, and granted I didn't get any proper use on it, felt like it wasn't much different than MCGP. Main difference being the buttons themselves

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/14/24, 2:56 PM

Though to be fair the room it was in was rather warm, so I couldn't really tell that it was metal

AndyHill•5/14/24, 2:58 PM

it's not true metal if you don't instantly hear manowar or rammstein when you touch the grip

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/14/24, 2:59 PM

Gave me more Sabaton vibes, maybe that was the problem

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/14/24, 2:59 PM

https://open.spotify.com/track/1xBRGN41DWx2vwNFY5CvGe?si=9522f9808adb4141

Spotify

Night Witches

Sabaton · Song · 2014

AAndyHill it's not true metal if you don't instantly hear manowar or rammstein when you to...

Lehmen•5/14/24, 3:01 PM

If you fly aggressively enough, it doesn't matter what grip material is

Lehmen•5/14/24, 3:04 PM

Saying that I stopped with the plastic MCG Pro because it is light.

AAndyHill it's not true metal if you don't instantly hear manowar or rammstein when you to...

Bob Bushman•5/14/24, 3:52 PM

Real simmers beat their own diy sticks out of cast iron skillets

Bob Bushman•5/14/24, 3:52 PM

https://tenor.com/view/forge-dwarf-dwarves-molten-forging-gif-27356913

Tenor

AAndyHill it's not true metal if you don't instantly hear manowar or rammstein when you to...

Volk•5/14/24, 3:58 PM

manowar, sure. rammstein I'd imagine the grip to be black rubber latex, and shoots out fire.

VVolk manowar, sure. rammstein I'd imagine the grip to be black rubber latex, and shoo...

Bob Bushman•5/14/24, 4:14 PM

Or sticky white stuff...

AndyHill•5/14/24, 4:39 PM

I think someone produced a joystick called Black Mamba a while back

AndyHill•5/14/24, 4:39 PM

you'd get some interesting search results

blave549•5/14/24, 4:59 PM

I'm surprised the TMW F/A-18 grip isn't mentioned much here. I have both it and the TMW Warthog grip. I've had the Virpil Alpha and Alpha Prime in the past, but as I've said before "somewhere" I don't like Virpil's buttons and especially their hats. And I do like the additional heft of the TMW stuff.

The Warthog grip is at least 12 years old and has seen a lot of use with zero problems. But then, I'm not a yank and bank guy -- I fly mostly helicopters.

I have a real 1960's-ish era real jet grip, and the TMWs are much closer to the heft and button/hat feel of the real deal.

MMichalK There's also Tianhang, 350g

Austringer•5/14/24, 6:40 PM

A number of people I've seen prefer the tianhang over the realism in many ways

Bblave549 I'm surprised the TMW F/A-18 grip isn't mentioned much here. I have both it and ...

Spitfire ZX•5/14/24, 6:43 PM

it is interesting, I don't have tons of experience with real aircraft, but based on the little I have seen, the TM hats feel the closest to what was in the aircraft

Spitfire ZX•5/14/24, 6:44 PM

can't speak to the actual F-16, etc. grips, but like a GA trim hat was very very close to what you get in the TM

Spitfire ZX•5/14/24, 6:44 PM

it's just not worth the weight imo, for the flight sim application

Spitfire ZX•5/14/24, 6:45 PM

plus having more tactile switches is nice

Spitfire ZX•5/14/24, 6:45 PM

I was surprised though, the real trim hats were pretty mushy and pretty heavy

Spitfire ZX•5/14/24, 6:46 PM

I'm sure it varies a bit in aircraft as well, that was just my takeaway

SSpitfire ZX it's just not worth the weight imo, for the flight sim application

Spitfire ZX•5/14/24, 6:52 PM

and to clarify I mean the weight of the entire grip, the hats are fine

.Eagle.•5/14/24, 6:52 PM

Quick question guys.
What is the waiting time for VPforce motors?
Any estimate

AndyHill•5/14/24, 6:53 PM

I don't have personal experience but afaik the kits are being sent out fairly rapidly

AndyHill•5/14/24, 6:53 PM

within days iirc

.Eagle.•5/14/24, 6:53 PM

Thanks

AndyHill•5/14/24, 6:54 PM

the situation could fluctuate according to availability and other such issues of course, but to my knowledge the kits are basically just available and you only need to wait if you want the ready-to-go Rhino

..Eagle.Quick question guys. What is the waiting time for VPforce motors? Any estimate

RUSHER•5/14/24, 8:31 PM

Mine were 10 days from order until delivery this monday to Germany.

.Eagle.•5/14/24, 9:06 PM

Nice

VPforceBot•5/15/24, 7:09 AM

:package:

RHINO #0531 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•5/15/24, 7:09 AM

:package:

RHINO #0530 Has Shipped!

Dracks•5/15/24, 7:58 AM

Hi everyone! I've just received my VPRhino and the first test on DCS was really fun. All I have to do now is tweak the software and it'll be outstanding.

How have I been able to play without it for 25 years?

Thanks to Walmis for the wonderful work!

(The longest part was finding the right screws for my MTS rig ah ah ah

)

DDracks Hi everyone! I've just received my VPRhino and the first test on DCS was really ...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/15/24, 9:09 AM

Congrats on a new baby Rhino!

I’m finishing my build today

VPforceBot•5/15/24, 11:12 AM

:package:

RHINO #0532 Has Shipped!

LeviathanDm•5/15/24, 5:09 PM

Is there any way to know your position in queue?

@AndyHill @TorTorden here's a compilation of grip weights for reference: MCGP 331g, WW18 428g A

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