sounds to my untrained ear what you describe is a **constant** force not spring force
sounds to my untrained ear what you describe is a constant force not spring force
Aconstant force is only 1 force in one direction, what i belive bama wants is still something that acts like a spring, in that it centers
Abut the force is always the same and not stronger as you move out
1Yes but with the ability to recenter
1The couple min I had earlier looked like the spring gain curve would accomplish this, essentially the motors should always have the same amps
LBe careful if you play with a constant force - I just just set it to 50% and went to effects, set a static force and it almost hit me in the nuts - hard
1The reason I want this is for rotary aircraft
LIf I had a cut-out in my seat, I wouldn't be here typing away happily 
Awhat aircraft/sims are you planning to fly?
1Dcs, mostly helicopters
Aare you just not happy with the force feedback they are giving you? or are you just attempting to re-create the ideal experience outside of the game, for the game?
Ai would say Apache and Kiowa both have pretty great FFB support, and you can use TelemFFB to refine it if necessary (can't speak for the other heli's tho)
Ai.e. -- i personally wouldn't recommend fucking with spring gain for those modules
1All the effects and ffb are very nice, but I want a better “grab” at the central position. One reason is because I use a warthog stick in a 200mm ext so it flops around pretty easily. I did the spring balance thing and that helps but it’s sooo light in the center, even with springs high
Aoh yeah, 200mm with a heavy stick like that could be problematic, do you have spring gain cranked up?
A(also making sure if you have the pot dial for spring gain, that it too is up)
Areason i ask, is because out of the box apache for me is very strong centering
Ai do have a heavy-ish grip (alpha prime) but no extension, and most likely not as heavy as the warthog
Aanother thing you could try is adding some damping force too
RThis is what i have been battling with and the boing issue, but thats sorted as best as it can be with increasing damper and fine tuning friction on teleffb
1I messed with the spring in the “settings” tab, I’m still somewhat confused as to what the difference in setting page, effect % and telemffb are….
Amy suggestion would be, start with something like this for the sliders (ignore all the other settings for now, don't mess with those) (also -- put master gain on 100%, i dunno why i had it on 95% when i took that), then disable all other settings in the Effects tab (except maybe balance spring since you've got an extension? but that's another discussion)
Athen using telemffb, for example, with the apache i did this: added like 25% damping to it
1I’ll sure try it! I thought effects had to be on in the vp config?
Asome settings that might also be worth tweaking -- craunk up spring strength proportional damping -- that will help get rid of spring bounce, so to speak, and natural damping compensation can help when no damping is applied to make the stick move smoother
Anope -- effects in VP Configurator -- will get overridden by the game if it applies them, unless you select sticky. however you almost never want to use sticky because you don't want to interrupt what the game is doing
1Aaaaaa gotcha, makes sense
Athere are effects -- like balance spring, and the force trim stuff though, that are separate, but the force trim stuff, if the game supports force feedback, it'll generally have it's own force trim stuff that you'd want to use instead anyways
Athen -- use a tool like TelemFFB to customize for a specific aircraft
Aso if you want to add damping to say, the Kiowa, do it with TelemFFB -- be flying the kiowa in game, and manipulate the sliders in telemffb for that aircraft. then it will save those effects to a profile for that aircraft, and auto detect when you're flying it
Amuch better than doing it in the configurator and having to change every time you select a different aircraft
Ai'm not a youtuber, but i should probably make a video explaining this stuff sometime to help people out
1I appreciate the info, yea it’s confusing trying to figure the work flow and what overrides what, lol
1I’m assuming the settings tab then says if telemffb send a signal limit it to this much??
Anot quite sure i follow? mostly just think of the configurator as sort of the
firmware settings for your vpforce rhino. you can set defaults and what not, but you never need to run(assuming you pressed Store Settings)
ATelemFFB is the app you run when playing, it helps improve the game's experience
SLooks like the fix for vne_override didn’t make it 
Nits there, just handled differently. It's presented in the UI as an override option now (wasn't there for xplane before). if it doesn't get set, the value is "0". Yes.. it should be initialized as 0 rather than
'' though
Sahh got it
Pwah
P0726 update is great! so much fun!!
Ppedal works like charm 
PWeapon and buffet effect hugely improved on IL2
YIs there any plan for future built to use a less noisy fan? For instance using Arctic fans which are not very expensive and still very silent: https://www.arctic.de/en/
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JOpinion: the fan is fine as is, and being able to hear it would be reassuring me that it is being actively cooled.
TI would love to see the “fan speed control” on the drop down menu for the pots.
It’s been suggested by someone before so hopefully it can happen!
It’s been suggested by someone before so hopefully it can happen!
JWould be nice yeah to always have it at max
XWalmis teased recently ability to control fan speed in software