you new to the F16? This is inherent to the DCS viper and why it sucks ass to fly compared to BMS on
you new to the F16? This is inherent to the DCS viper and why it sucks ass to fly compared to BMS on regular joysticks
Nbut i'm surprised you find it so noticeable with Rhino. imo Rhino is the only way to make the DCS viper tolerable, maybe it's the throw range and smoothness, I don't really mind it
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[Yeah I find I horrible too.
Solution is a custom axis curve in DCS.
Solution is a custom axis curve in DCS.
[Can post a screenshot of my settings. I find they eliminate the deadzone quite good
VWhat has helped for me is to check the "Override spring" in the TelemFFB. With that option checked the Viper now behaves quite nicely
[The problem with the Viper in DCS ist the hard coded Deadzone which is essential for FSSB. But it is a bad thing for throw sticks. But ED translated the FSSB deadzone 1:1 into the throw. The only way to eliminate this is to create a custom curve in which you do the opposite of a deadzone. Literally you have to skip the deadzone area around the center, so the axis start at the point where you have control surface input.
[Something like this. But in The DCS Ingame setting axis configuration
[With this and adaptive recentering in VPforceConfigurator you are fine
[I will share my ingame setting later this day. So you can adapt it
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KI use a reworked HP power supply unit. You need ~19V with ~10A. Best with a 5,5-2,5 mm connector.
Some people use Meanwell LRS 350/24 PSU. But then you need to build your own enclosure and cable for it.
One example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B084NVQ68P
Another example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WGQD2PD
Some people use Meanwell LRS 350/24 PSU. But then you need to build your own enclosure and cable for it.
One example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B084NVQ68P
Another example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WGQD2PD
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KMany thanks for the info!
WAnd this works with rotorcraft? I think I used balance spring or something and it didn’t work with force trim?
[Here you go
1I have hundreds of hours in the viper and love it with the vpc cm3 base…..
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1I’ll try it out, thanks
SHow did you open this settings? First time I see them
NThe balance spring is constant and persistent and will help offset the imbalance caused by a heavy grip and/or offset extension, but it will only get you close. Once you have balance spring set so that the stick more or less stays where you put it with all other effects disabled, then enabling Adaptive Recentering will nicely keep the stick centered regardless of where the actual center point is placed via force trim.
Adaptive recentering will do it on its own, but it is best to negate most of the work it needs to do by setting up Balance Spring first.
With my heavy Alpha Prime grip, I have run both the 200mm offset and the z-extension. With the above configured, I have zero issues with the stick maintaining center in any position.
Adaptive recentering will do it on its own, but it is best to negate most of the work it needs to do by setting up Balance Spring first.
With my heavy Alpha Prime grip, I have run both the 200mm offset and the z-extension. With the above configured, I have zero issues with the stick maintaining center in any position.
[You need to box „user curves“ in the axis tune window.
SSince I have a made a rhino I do not mess with curves anymore but thanks 
[This is ok because for the F-16 you make spring sticky and override the DCS Spring. So it won’t mess it up.
When using DCS spring it’s a different story.
When using DCS spring it’s a different story.
[For every other module I agree with you. But The Viper is special.
BI just use virtual endstops and axis scaling at about 20%, makes it sensitive and snippy with no dead zone.
I'd go lower, but below that banking would trip my y axis motor, I assume as going so quickly between max force near the end to 0 at center gives it the heebyjeebies.
I'd go lower, but below that banking would trip my y axis motor, I assume as going so quickly between max force near the end to 0 at center gives it the heebyjeebies.
RI really wish we had the ability to change the amount of force in adaptive centering. Right now I think it’s 12 or 14%. I wish we had the ability to put it up to say 50% or whatever would be safe.
WLarger adaptive forces will feel very weird / non-linear
DI see the two PSUs you listed use 5.5x2.5mm cable connectors. Protomaker's parts list in the pdf assembly instructions show 5.5x2.1mm for the socket part, but I can't find any common laptop PSUs that use that size. So now I'm confused as to what is the actual standard people are using, if you have some advice on that. I guess they're close to each other, but I'd still hate to risk a poor electrical connection even if they do physically fit.
D5.5x2.5 plug on 5.5x2.1 socket will fit but you also will get intermittent conection as soon as you move the wire just a little. I ended changing the PSU plug to 5.5x2.1
DGood to know, thanks. I suppose Protomaker should fix that parts list then? It would be so easy for DIY'ers to just install the correct 5.5x2.5 mm socket in the box instead for a solid connection. I believe the pre-built Rhino even comes with that 5.5x2.5mm size PSU, based on the specs listed for the model number (Green Cell AD100P) as seen in Big Bangerz YT video review. But I don't know what size receptacle the pre-built base has. https://greencell.global/en/msi/2862-charger-ac-adapter-green-cell-pro-19v-95a-180w-for-msi-gt60-gt70-gt680-gt683-asus-rog-g75-g75v-g75vw-g750jm-g750js.html
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AI kind of got interested in the seatbelt tensioner systems, but the all seem to be immensely expensive. Are there cheaper ghetto versions out there at all?
KWe use a 5.5mm 2.1mm connector in the kit.
DThanks for the reply. So then it's not technically the correct size for the standard PSUs, including VPForce's own.
AAthe problem with diy stuff is that I have basically no tools and a bunch of limp dicks for fingers
SAnother potential problem with DIY kits is payment method. If it's a Paypal "friends" workaround instead of a straight up business to customer transaction a credit card issuer might decline the transaction.
BDidn't have any issues with my mastercard, no PayPal needed
SVPForce orders are not a problem. Some other suppliers might not have credit card option available.
V:package: RHINO #0662 Has Shipped!
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RHINO #0661 Has Shipped!
Joh man, who is #0666
JAre these also the serial numbers?
BIf its not branded with a pentagram I'll be disappointed.
D. # 0668 = The Neighbor of The Beast
N!remind me - Put special code in TelemFFB to identify SN#666 and randomly do crazy stuff to make everyone think it is possessed
Ayeah, the number is on a lil metal plate attached to the device
Jthats awesome, wish i had that SN haha. Can we request a specific SN if we order 
Ai think assuming it's after your spot in line, maybe haha
JI jsut want #6969
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