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iTeachChem•2mo ago
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Electrostats doubt- Field just below a hemispherical surface

Isn't the disc electric field formula applicable for this q? Derived by using solid angle. Could someone show their working? I have a couple of doubts.
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ns
nsOP•2mo ago
ik this doesnt look like a hemisphere but i hope u get what i mean
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iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helper•2mo ago
@Gyro Gearloose
iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helper•2mo ago
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Opt
Opt•2mo ago
I'm guessing, but is it D?
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
sorry no
Opt
Opt•2mo ago
Mb A
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
i misread it mb nope i thought that too should i tell?
Opt
Opt•2mo ago
ok, then let me actually try Idk why I even said D A is the more likely one
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
yeah cuz if it's close it acts like an infinite sheet but idk why that is not it
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•2mo ago
but A isnt correct right?
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
nope
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•2mo ago
alrr
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
at least acc to the key
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•2mo ago
key says C?
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
yeah
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•2mo ago
damn
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
if u use the disc wala formula you get the same exp except that it has a - sign and the ans has a + sign and im assuming the hemisphere doesnt have a base ie it's open
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•2mo ago
i was trying with gauss law but couldnt get much ping me before closing if u get ans
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
okay sure
Gamertug
Gamertug•2mo ago
i think its D too by the sheet logic there will be 2 sheets
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
a better img i found online (same q)
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ns
nsOP•2mo ago
and i think the flat part is open the q doesnt explicitly mention anything like that
hithav
hithav•2mo ago
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hithav
hithav•2mo ago
integrate this from 0 to pi/2
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•2mo ago
gives D if my calc is correct
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
isnt there smtg simpler than this? like maybe solid angles
hithav
hithav•2mo ago
No it doesnt I will send the calculation tomorrow i dont have a pen and its hard writing on laptop Thats for discs right these are rings
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•2mo ago
If this ain't correct imma kms
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integralofe^2x
integralofe^2x•2mo ago
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integralofe^2x
integralofe^2x•2mo ago
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integralofe^2x
integralofe^2x•2mo ago
There might be just 1 error that maybe i took d exactly as zero and didnt use it as a limit so it might cause some issues
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLac•2mo ago
Ah I've seen this. This is painfully done using polar 😭 But yeah the answer is b for this case. c occurs for the case when the particle is at a distance R opposite to the center iirc.
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLac•2mo ago
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SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLac•2mo ago
This is the trickiest part in the question Because d is tending to zero, the field by the first ring (when theta is zero) is not zero, but sigma/2epsilon
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
the key says it's c tho wont it be (root2-1) instead of root2+1
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLac•2mo ago
We have missed the extra sigma/2epsilon component of E-field that's why we add it to the obtained one. Yeah my bad. c for this one and b for the other case. This gives c.
ns
nsOP•2mo ago
okay.. thanks a bunch.. i'll need some time to check and understand it. will close the post after that @hardcoreisdead u asked me to ping right...
integralofe^2x
integralofe^2x•2mo ago
Cool u can find that field by setting limit as d tenda to zero when using the formula for field by disc right? Tha gives sigma/2epsilon
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLac•2mo ago
Yep.
integralofe^2x
integralofe^2x•2mo ago
Alr mate ty
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•5w ago
ok so to sum it up field at A is option C and at point B is option B
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hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdead•5w ago
why is method of integration shared by hithav wrong
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLac•5w ago
Because of the extra sigma/2epsilon component of electric field that we have taken to be zero in integration has to be added to obtain net field.
iTeachChem
iTeachChem•2w ago
+solved @SirLancelotDuLac
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iTeachChem Helper•2w ago
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