conceptual lag in flux

according to gauss law flux through this random body should be q1/epsilon. q2 has no contribution in the flux since the electric field lines that enter the body also exit it thus flux is zero (source :https://youtu.be/ZR9pNx90YRU?si=QR84K-VpzGPqruSZ&t=3981)
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CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
if we apply a similar logic to this ques
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CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
it becomes zero ??
Opt
Opt5mo ago
Uniform constant electric field? Yeah, zero
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
ans is 2ERH tho in phy galaxy
SirLancelotDuLac
This is a uniform electric field right? So the flux will be area of projection*Electric field. Wait I had a visualization for this... Draw a line of electric field cutting the shape at two points. Now the area of projection of small areas are proportional to the distance^2 (Because the radius of curvature is from point to that small area), while the electric field is proportional to 1/r^2 This cancels out and hence there is no flux by the outside charge. The same doesn't occur in uniform electric field.
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
is the logic i gave incorrect? and why is it not applicable in the cylinder ques
SirLancelotDuLac
We can't apply a similar logic here because of the lack of proportionality to 1/r^2. Wait a min I read the question wrong.
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
waiting
SirLancelotDuLac
Yeah nvm it should be zero, I'm dumb 😅 What is the source, if I may ask?
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
ig phy galaxy high then
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CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
phy galaxy
SirLancelotDuLac
It should have been a half cylinder here. Otherwise by gauss law there is charge inside which is not the case.
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
yes that makes more sense btw can an objects own electric field give it flux yes ig
SirLancelotDuLac
"give it flux"? Charged objects enclised in a gaussian surface do give flux.
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
like if theres a charged disc , it has some field lines. can those field lines give it flux
SirLancelotDuLac
Like a gaussian surface enclosing the disc? Yep.
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
the disc only acc to me yes cuz well theres enclosed charge
SirLancelotDuLac
Gaussian surfaces are imaginary.
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
oh nvm i was thinking smthing else what if we tilt the entire cylinder by angle theta wrt vertical keeping dirn of E same
SirLancelotDuLac
If it's a full cylinder again zero. If its a half cylinder, area of projection * magnitude of E-field
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
consider a closed cylinder , and half it given radius R and height H
SirLancelotDuLac
Does this help?
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Opt
Opt5mo ago
A half cylinder with no flat face opposing the curved one, to be precise. Needs to be open. In fact, that's our basis for applying the projection
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP5mo ago
what i wanted to know was if we tilt the cylinder how do we consider tha flux through cap of cylinder yeahhh
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iTeachChem4mo ago
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