Can someone give an example of abc that works? I dont think its possible in reals

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Opt
Opt2w ago
If A'A = I, then |A| = ±1 So 3abc-(a³+b³+c³)=±1 3abc = 2±1 abc = 3/3, 1/3 = 1,1/3 So the values are 1 and 1/3
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
Indiviual values for abc Since a²+b²+c²=1 But a³+b³+c³=2???
Opt
Opt2w ago
Where did you get this from?
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
Orthogonal Its a rotation matrix that means the basis vectors must have a magnitude of 1
Opt
Opt2w ago
It's not a rotation matrix though Not all orthogonal matrices are rotation matrices
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
Ohhh I didnt know that
Opt
Opt2w ago
Rotation matrix in 3D is weird. I don't remember it
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
I thought all orthogonal matrices were rotational ones So that holds in 2d but not in 3d
Opt
Opt2w ago
No? There are non-rotation orthogonal matrices in 2D too I'm pretty sure
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
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MonishrulesOP2w ago
Your method is a lot faster idk why they did all that but it does hold there Hmm i do think all orthogonal matrices are rotational tho im like 99% sure I had been using it in a lot of questions
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
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Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
If the det of a is +1 than its rotational according to wikj So i guess i had been getting lucky xd Det with -1 are reflections Interesting Gonna look into the proofs for tgat Misconception aside the problem still stands that on regular multiplication we end up with sum of squares as 1
Opt
Opt2w ago
Ok yeah in 2d they have to be Eh, don't do it like that Just work it out, it's gonna be simpler Det -1 means there's a reflection, but there could also be a rotation+reflection
SirLancelotDuLac
I was about to ask this question in a different thread but but how can we be sure all orthogonal matrices in 3-D are not always rotational in nature?
Opt
Opt2w ago
Just a moment. Nvm all orthogonal matrices have to be rotations
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
so det cannot be negative in 2 dimensions?
Opt
Opt2w ago
Because they're just a change of basis
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
now im confused 😕
Opt
Opt2w ago
Orthogonal matrices are matrices whose column vectors form an orthonormal basis of the space.
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
yes thats what i knew
Opt
Opt2w ago
So any orthogonal matrix would just be a matrix that changes the directions of coordinates you're working in, and since it's normalised, there's no scaling. It's essentially a rotation of the axes Man, I'm being dumb a lot of times today
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
but what about those with det -1 also that doesnt make sense because then it would a times a transpose = -I ok
Opt
Opt2w ago
Those are not orthogonal by definition
SirLancelotDuLac
That is the case where the right-handed coordinate becomes left-handed.
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
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Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
ahhhhhh so they are still perpendicular
Opt
Opt2w ago
Orthonormal, yes. Orthogonal and normalised
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
@ @Opt so back to original q
Opt
Opt2w ago
Yes?
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
how is it possible that a,b,c are real
Opt
Opt2w ago
Lemme see Tbf it's a Mains question, so don't expect too much though
Monishrules
MonishrulesOP2w ago
yeah i guess i was just bewildered maybe im pissed because i didnt of the identity first
Opt
Opt2w ago
You good?

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