Controller App Suggestion
i was wondering if yall could create a app like mechakeys but for controller if thats possible or if yall are in develompment to create it it would be a great idea tbh i personally been trying everything to map my controller into keyboard to get the clicking sounds without changing my game input which doesnt seem to be working so i hope yall can create it soon thanks or just lemme know anything
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not super familiar with controllers but i’ll see what I can do
prob wont be anytime soon tho
or add a controller tab to the mechakeys v2?
is there a particular controller software or driver or something that you’re using?
and have custom sounds js like the keyboard like ps5 ps5 dualsense edge or clicky controller ps4 and way more exists or just let us maybe connect controller to it and let mechakeys detect it as keyboard or smth?
ion use ds4 or whatever i use it only for certain games i personally use the dualsense edge
i have some minor fixes for v2 coming, but it wont be receiving any new features.
i’ll play around with it for the next version
noted
how soon is that cuz i rlly been trying to map controller to keyboard w out it changing the game inputs cuz it will js change back and forth to keyboard and controller u cant even play at that point i used joytokey andautohot k ey but games detecet autohotkey as cheating so not even possible
i cant put a timeline on it. this category of applications use global input listeners, ie your game is in focus but mechakeys can still see keystrokes sent to a game.
I’m not familiar with any global controller listeners, so i’d have to do sone research on feasibility. and i’d have to take into consideration if analog input should have any sound options
i mean for now till you make develompent for controller only like controller sounds and ect why wont u let us connect controllers and js hear the keyboard sounds but using a controller to ion know much ab development you obv know better than me but by my brain i think it wont be hard right? i dont rlly know much ab the keystrokes thing till then maybe when using a controller dont let it count keystrokes? idrk how it works tbh im js kinda desperate for irt
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I simply not sure how atm.
it really comes down to how the operating systems and controller software work. They might not allow sending inputs to multiple applications which is why a global listener hack might be required. the challenge is not so much in selecting the input device as it the permissions system around listening to the device.
if you know of any open-source overlay software that can read controller inputs independently of games, that might help me figure out an approach.
i might be able to throw together a quick proof if concept if theres an established way. if i have to write my own polling system its starts entering a more tedious realm of development
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i mean there r many rhat people uses if ure talking ab overlay it shouldnt be hard to find one it like displays ur controller on screen if thats what ure talkin ab ppl mostly use it for streams to show the viewrs what buttons theyre pressing and everything
u want me to show u what im talking about?
https://gitlab.com/gilrs-project/gilrs
https://github.com/fornwall/gamepads
https://arewegameyet.rs/ecosystem/input/
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yea
yes its this one
gamepad viewer
you should know ab it
basically it js shows what buttons you press on screen like a overlay i think yk ab it
yea it detects ur controller input obv
but yea this is probably the best one Gamepad viewer
used the most
Unfortunately its not open source, but does mention the open source tools it uses.
Thankfully, this is all possible due to Marcin Wichary's Gamepad.js and Tester.js libraries, which I've modified for my own purposesits also a webpage, so its not exactly inaccessible. So I could prob make a browser based version similar to his tool pretty quickly. would that be okay? or i could make a native tool with rust, which would be less resource intensive but take longer to dev. i’ll prob do that for v3 later.
thats okay but i will get what i want till u make v3 right?
i could throw together something quickly rn
it wont be great but might get the job done
hm lemme see also tysmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
if his web tool works for you and ur okay with a browser based audio source then it should be ez
the app would be better but ig a web tool wont be that bad for now when will u turn it into v3 and how will you do it if u dm me asking?
v3 still has no timeline, its hard to prioritize as its both involved and has no financial support.
maybe update v2?
would be too hard unfortunately
v2 is a bit of a mess
maybe beta for me?😭 i
it’s cleaner and more secure than v1, but its got other issues and i lack full control
i can make the web thing app like, but ultimately its still a web view
v2 is just too annoying to mess with
lets see what this web thing is right? if its too good maybe u can even create another app like mechakeys but for roller name it smth like MechaRoller
how long is it gonna take?
@Captain Halu hey bro did anythin happen?
I haven't even started yet lol
prob tomorrow, I'm still in the middle of something
Awh man okay ima tty tmr gl
@Captain Halu hey wassup dude no pressure at all but when u gettin to it?
wassup dude
eating breakfast, will start in a bit
Brunch
okayy
shi wb now😭
@Captain Halu if ure busy bro its okay lmk i js wanna know when im getting it so i wont ask over n over again
:joobishush: :AxH_MercifulBarber:
Does that mean something good
No it means shush
i mean he aint replyin and ion wanma be the 1 to rush somebody i js want a update yk
@Captain Halu hey man ion wanna ask and bother much but can i get a update?
chill man hes a busy guy lol
a lil update wont hurt but okay😭 im being patient n thankful for him
I had some unexpected company and had to immediately pivot to chores and hosting. Reprioritizing this to start tonight or tomorrow. not sure how long it will take to develop exactly, but shouldn’t be too bad
Okay man and npp i will reply to this in a few hours to see wassup
Thanks
I think i have a decent idea of how to capture and organize state
just note sure what the best way is to handle some functions... tho i have some ideas
will experiment with technicals now that theory is mostly out of the way
okay you know better but i thought its starting as a website now a app? i dont rlly understand but okay lets see
how it been?
rolled my own input hook
tho i still want to add more details around dead zones and sensitivity for analog inputs
Should be able to start implementing basic sound tomorrow
and UI and Editor the day after. that might take 2 days tho
k got deadzones and sensitivity working in a rudimentary, hacky way
had to implement a hack to capture inputs when not in focus…
admin may still be required for games tho, will have to test
okayyy thank u so much have u added the clicking sounds yet or no?
the audio just feels so laggy... its weird...
gonna experiment more. might not be doable with web tech if its this bad
ok i think its fine. for some reason tone.js was much slower than howler
not sure why, i was expecting it to be more performant
okayy so how is it now?
k think tonejs is working now too... ish
just allows some cooler stuff so it would be preferable
so i guess its pretty much working.
I'll prob scratch out the UI tomorrow and file handling
file handling is the worst part 😫
awh mann its okay tho u can get to it but will u release this as an actual app??
it will be a standalone app, but I don't really want to maintain it. so it prob wont be particularly featureful.
V3 is supposed to have controller support anyway, so this is more of a study than a commitment
open source?
so its not good? like wym i cant use it when ure done or what
idk havent thought about it yet
you can use it, i just wont be adding features or fixing minor bugs
when is v3 coming out then
and tmr is the estimate like u will send me a exe or smth or what how can i use it
chill out homie software takes time to develop 😭
i hope its open source tho, if halu wont continue the project then maybe other people will
aho okay lolol
it will do good if its open soutce tbh
my hesitation is mostly that its not done well, same with V2 (proprietary stuff aside)
I'd rather share something that doesn't rely on web tech
Tauri :D
it is, but the detection and audio is still webside
ur staff tho so i can add u as collaborator if you want to take a peak at it l8r
i don't do estimates on deliverables
any thing could block you last minute which makes it a futile practice
okayyy thank u smmm when its done lmk lmk plus updates would be appreciated
hmm… this layout is more difficult than expected. close to finished tho. but thats just the layout…
still haven’t bound anything functional to it
AIGHT BET THANK U SO MUCH
:robo_pepenog:
new issue
The browser doesn't provide us with an event based API, so we have to build that abstraction on top of the polling based API they offer...
Manually polling in JS is pretty rough...
doing anything sub optimally in the polling loop causes garbage collection issues
I can poll less frequently for now. but long term...
- i probably have to move polling to a worker to separate it from the rendering and audio perf.
- i can uses static memory and mutation to avoid GC issues
but these optimizations are beyond the immediate scope.
i'll loop back at the end if i have time.
ultimate everything should be rewritten in rust and avoid web tech. but wutever
Whatever works cuz i seriously dint understand anythung but thank u so much
@Captain Halu yo any news
rust is the way to go trust
Whats that
a different programming language, not web-based
if i had the raw sound files i could maybe help out with the programming but i dont have them
idk anything ab programming hes the one doing it not me so idrk tbh how long this will take
@inx also bro how did u get that yvl text can u send it to me lol
I’m considering it after i figure out how things work with the JS prototype
audio is the hardest part for rust, i don’t think there’s a lib as helpful as tone.js
(ie chaining effects etc.)
anything that works best
Sorry idk what to do with that is that for me or the other guy
Hey dude @halu is there like a estimate now? Also thank u sm for ur work
he already said, he doesn't do estimates
yeahh but idk he said it will prob take a day idk if he switched to makin a app or he js doing the web idk ab programming
@halu yoo any news bro
i’m touching grass
ah man u gotta put me on that fr😞
@halu been long enough any news man
still touching grass
cmon
its summer
yeah true and u have ur own life i js kinda want it lol or idk add controller support or something to mechakeys
i’ll try to prioritize it a bit
it’s technically been functional, there’s just no ui or state management
ui is easy, state management is… not fun
yea it is hard n u have ur own life i js rely on u for this ion have anyone else
@Killen, wants this program too
yes bro
ive been asking for it for like months
didnt know it was in progress lol
well my friend if they were making one
ok irl stuff mostly setting down. got some house chores i need to catch up on, then i can get back to work
alr thanks man
lemme know when u have it kinda done
might have jury duty…
the settling down unsettles
Turns out controllers are non-trivial to deal with 😭
man its been month captain halu did u do it? summers over i hope uve done it or at least add controller support for mechakeys man i rlly want this
@Captain Halu
Didn’t have an answer till now.
It’s still technically minimally functional as is, but it’s not in a state I’m satisfied in releasing.
TLDR, i want to broaden the app to support arbitrary devices which means adding support for a lower level api and some others. I still need to do some research here and make a more unified wrapper over the various input methods. I still haven’t finished state management either.
Aside from family issues the main hold up has been my computer itself. I’ll attempt to wipe it this week and resume coding after that. but its still not really a priority in my life
Even when I do finish, it’s basically still just a proof of concept as it uses web tech rather than more native approaches to things
One cool thing it might be able to do is detect speed/force you push buttons at if you use a pressure sensitive input device. With this you can manipulate sounds or play different ones all together.
one of the tells of uses these types of software is audio that doesn’t match input force/speed and lack of variation.
@halu hope everything goes well with your family. truly hope the best for you and your hard work. i get it but i dont understand many of these things since i dont know anything about developing you know the best truly. thank you for your work to be honest, i fyou can at least add support for controller and let it play keyboard sounds that still wont be that bad till you make a controller app or add a controller section or js something with controller sounds. i truly thank you i hope you can do it its cool to have it i hope its a priority for you thank you again
hello sir
is the controller mechakeys still being worked on?
just wondering
🥺
yes, just admittedly slow
captain halu
@halu where r we at?
are we done with it how much is there left
its november my bro
@halu hi can u priotize it a little more i lowk want it so bad😭 ure our only hope
@halu i tried to make my controller map to keyboard while it doesnt detect in game which is kinda impossible i tried using a app called reWASD basically map controller keys to keyboard there is a mod in it called associated apps i only chose mecha keys but it still ruined my game like my game detected it and it was js a big mess
so i dont know what to do really
if u can develop the controller support or make the controller part like same thing as mecha keys but for controller, yk controller sounds and stuff
ure our only hope lol
its been 7 months💔
yo @Captain Halu i know ure a busy guy and stuff but i just really want a update on this
i’ll work on it tonight
i also gotta write an EOL statement for v2’s last update
YO @Captain Halu FINALLY BRO😭 i swear its so hard to get in touch with you i swear😭😭 can you actually do it this time its been literally 7 months😭
@Captain Halu if i could help u IN ANYWAY possible just tell me bro i just want this made SOOOOOO BAD😭 add me if you want
i got a dualsense edge if you need sounds or something
and a real ps5 controller
ong bro im happy as hell u finally replied
the hold up was basically that i found a different way of handling inputs, so i have to start from scratch. also controller profiles are much less standardized than i initially anticipated
theres still some state management to figure out, but i can prob get you something functional without it.
im js IN NEED atp😭
or meanwhile u make it fully made add controller support but if u can make the controller js like mechakeys and add it into the app or anything
i would be happy as hell bro
plus it will bring a lot of value
anyway i can help you?
no more features will be added to V2. but, this controller thing should be able to handle keyboard stuff as well (i hope)
so what will you do and when exactly? also we talked about v3 and you told me you would add controller feature what happened to v3 @Captain Halu?
just anything would be nice man
i been trying so many ways lol i js couldn’t so only hope is you and i dont really mean to bother you
V3 is a but of a contentious topic…
mechakeys is technically owned by a company that i am not a part of. I didn’t expect any issues with V2 as it was just an unofficial client.
The issue with V3 is that i’d be pilfering the user-base to a service i control under a brand and IP i do not control. That’s not something I’m comfortable doing without permission or outright buying the IP (which i prob cant afford given others have offered more than I’m willing to pay in the past). I’m not ready to have any such discussions with robo atm
this controller app is a small experiment into what I’d want a V3 to be, minus:
- networking stuff, it’ll be entirely offline
- security stuff (real anticheat & integrity checks)
- performance stuff (rust)
so its just an experiment
great i understand
okay so what will you do for those who want controller support
what will you do now is the question
what should i expect?
please dont say nothing😭
its just a separate app. if you want controller support under the mechakeys brand, well… i wouldn’t hold my breath
lmaooo
so u will create a seperate app?
basically mechakeys but controller?
is that what we will get? @Captain Halu
yea, but offline. no accounts
(i make that online/offline distinction cuz thats the only defining feature of mechakeys at this point)
can people get into it tho? wym is the app wont have accounts and progression but people can download it?
and when will that be made??
@halu where we at
i really dont like spamming but can you answer youre online so i dont know @halu
@Captain Halu wassup bro
reassure me at least, ion want to annoy you