thick conducting shell

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CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
ik by logic that all charge on sphere will travel to outermost part of shell to make field inside 0 and potential uniform but how do i prove it mathematically like q' charge travels from sphere to shell
nori
nori4mo ago
i mean u can equate the potential at point A (on the solid sphere) to that at point B the end of the wire lets assume q' to be the charge remaining on the solid sphere. -q' is induced on the inner side and q on the outer side cuz total charge has to remain q then.. at A = kq'/a - kq'/2a + kq/3a.. at B -kq'2a + kq/3a + kq'/2a so q'=0 which means all the charge goes to the outer surface isnt this what u wanted to prove @hardcoreisdead
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
so u are sort of considering one thick shell as combination two thin spherical shells shouldnt Vb = kq"/2a+kq/3a + kq/3a
nori
nori4mo ago
yeah cuz it's a think conducting shell. there's no field in the bulk of the conductor what's q''?
Sephrina
Sephrina4mo ago
charge
nori
nori4mo ago
ik that.. i meant where like i took q' on the solid sphere
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
mb ill rewrite shouldnt Vb = kq/3a+kq'/3a - kq'/3a
nori
nori4mo ago
why tho i dont see it..
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
for any charge inside a shell , potential due to it on the surface of shell = k*charge/radius of sphere right q' and -q' are both inside the outermost shell and q resides on outermost shell so in denominator only 3a should be there that gives q'=q'/2 which basically means q'=0 same result but the right way (ig?)
Opt
Opt4mo ago
Net field inside the conducting shell at any point must be zero. Only config that does that is if all the charge is on the surface. That is the mathematical proof.
nori
nori4mo ago
i may be quite off but ig this is the potential at a point on the outer surface of the shell, right? the one i wrote was for a point on the inner surface of the shell (directly to which the wire is connected) we will equate the potentials of the points joined by the wire.. dont know if i understand u properly
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
i was looking for eqns and stuff OHH RIGHT
Opt
Opt4mo ago
Gauss' Law
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
V= kq'/2a -kq'/2a + kq/3a right that makes sense
Opt
Opt4mo ago
Field inside the conductor is identically zero, so flux must be zero for any spherically symmetric Gaussian surface
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
yeah ofc thats usefull but i just wanted a lil concept check
Opt
Opt4mo ago
In fact for any Gaussian surface Which doesn't cross the outermost sphere
CorrodedCoffin
CorrodedCoffinOP4mo ago
yeah +solved @ns
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