capacitor cube

given is a cube where each line has a capacitor of capacitance C. we need to find capacitance along specified points
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iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helper•6d ago
@Gyro Gearloose
iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helper•6d ago
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hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
i was able to get C17 and c13 by symmetry and stuff stuck at c14
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Superposition works ig
iTeachChem
iTeachChem•6d ago
kirchoffs laws? like basics?
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Gods no That's a death sentence
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
living hell on earth
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Ok superposition will be annoying. Some folding should work. Lemme get a book
iTeachChem
iTeachChem•6d ago
lol
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
our teacher never taught us how to do cube questions he was just like "its complicated just remember the result"
iTeachChem
iTeachChem•6d ago
bro people just mug results things like this you dont do in exams xD maine toh kirchoffs se hi kiya hai it is painful but
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
yeha
iTeachChem
iTeachChem•6d ago
you remember :P
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
no i mean if its very long and manual it shouldn't be an exam question at all unless there's a clever insight that simplifies it have you tried mirror and folding symmetry? did that help
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
i tried to fig out symmetrical current flow but it got complicated
Opt
Opt•6d ago
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hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
like its ever gonna come in advance or mains
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Check if this works.
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
huh wow that's clever looking for equipotential points
Opt
Opt•6d ago
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hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
god damn this is correct itni jaldi kaise
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
trying to combine the points is messing with my brain did you just wing it or follow a system
Opt
Opt•6d ago
I remember one of my teachers mentioning it when another student asked a doubt ?? Wdym
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
nvm nvm
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Well, you can try visualising
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
i was having trouble visualizing it i got it now
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Pinching the frame I'm pretty sure you can do this with superposition too wait I wanna try
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
uske baad explain bhi karna how u got it
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Nvm I guess that only works for resistors Im getting 9C/5 I mean, there's nothing stopping you except the time constraint.
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
how long would you estimate kirchoff's rules would take for this
Opt
Opt•6d ago
I wouldn't hazard a guess
iTeachChem
iTeachChem•6d ago
na your way is the best way equipotential surfaces, shorting
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
@Opt does every sort of electrical symmetry just arrive from equipotential points? mirror, folding
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Ye
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
wowie
Opt
Opt•6d ago
I never learnt those techniques per se because equipotential points se kaam ho jata hai
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
yeah you were essentially doing the same thing
Opt
Opt•6d ago
There are weird cases where you have to break a node but that's rare
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
a node as in an intersection right? that happens in mirror symmetry
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
did u consider symmetry like this ?
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Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
he did the same thing but for 2/5 instead of 1/6
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Yes
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
oh wait nvm sorry im tripping
Opt
Opt•6d ago
No, that's the plane
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
no i mean if you tilted the plane 90 degree inward toward yourself that's another symmetry
Opt
Opt•6d ago
No it isn't.
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
? oH 6 and 1 are not equipot ?
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Because of the two nodes between which we have our p.d.
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
symmetry we obtain in such a way that the battery (here imaginary) is cut too
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Ok, I really need to have lunch. Ping if needed.
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
the ends connecting it will do
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
ah yeah yeah gotchu also @hardcoreisdead good job on your doubts man some of the 2025 people have a server just a friend group and we were deadass like "bro hardcoreisdead asks such good doubts its demotivating"
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
💀 lolol thanx
Nimboi
Nimboi•6d ago
literal 99 percentilers by the way
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•6d ago
ill take that as a compliment ill close this by today night. gotta attend some classes
iTeachChem
iTeachChem•6d ago
I second this :) well done @hardcoreisdead on grinding
Opt
Opt•6d ago
Fr. Hardcoreisdead doubt is equivalent to a humbling
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•5d ago
Thanxx. Miles more to go
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•5d ago
@Opt does this work for finding C across 17
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hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•5d ago
i considered a plane of symmetry 1674
Opt
Opt•5d ago
2,4,5 are equipotential. 3,6,8 are equipotential. So it's going to be 3 capacitors in parallel from 1 to node a, six in parallel from node a to node b, then three in parallel from node b to 7.
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•5d ago
yes i solved usin that approach previously. trying out something different here
Opt
Opt•5d ago
I'm not too familiar with using symmetry
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•5d ago
ohh no prob ill try again
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLac•5d ago
5,2 and 4 are equipontential tho no? Symmetry would mean from the perspective of 1 (if you're finding out b/w 1 and 7), 4,2 and 5 are equivalent or symmetric [adjacent]; after that 6,8,3 are symmetric [across face diagonal] and so on ig. We don't necessarily consider geometric symmetry iirc. (Symmetry here means the one with equipotential points wali thing)
hardcoreisdead
hardcoreisdeadOP•5d ago
they are and i did using that in another method exploring planes of symmetry to find these points current division has to be in 1 and 7 its easy gets a bit tedious with 1 and 3 got em all solved thanx everyone +solved @Opt @SirLancelotDuLac @Nimboi
iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helper•5d ago
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