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iTeachChem•4mo ago
Sephrina

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in questions like these, i dont know the Ka value so how should i procced?
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iTeachChem Helper•4mo ago
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iTeachChem Helper•4mo ago
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Nimboi
Nimboi•4mo ago
ill take the 61st one HBr is a strong acid it fully dissociates all of HBr becomes ions
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
i mean i have in both 60th and 61 but yh
Nimboi
Nimboi•4mo ago
HBr ---> H(+) + Br(-) so the concentration of H(+) is equal to the concentration of HBr thats the assumption of strong acids that the reaction goes all the way through
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
antilog of 4.25?
Nimboi
Nimboi•4mo ago
minus of antilog right? but yes
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
yh yh minus
Nimboi
Nimboi•4mo ago
try doing the others with the same logic nitric acid, HNO3, is also strong
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
let me try once
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
There's a variation as well First you solve these then we can talk about that
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
if i am not doing any blunder again the ph of HNO3 should be 1.7 in 60th a tell tell crazy stuff im getting -0.6 as ph in b part
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
Calculate the ph of 10^-7 M HCl 🥸 And tell me what it turns out to be Uhh weird I'll see ruko
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
wait wht it is 7 isnt it? howw hcl being neutral
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
It's not 7 Acid hai Acidic to karega You remember we are missing something?
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
wait do we need to consider the autoionisation of water also?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
EXACTLY!!
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
paani?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
That will give you a value of some 6.84 or 6.92 whatever but it would be less than 7 Haanji:)
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
ok woah but one question tht i have had in autoionization of water is mujhe kaise pta chlega kis extent tak paani ionize hoga? tht is almost neutral though very veryy less acidic
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
See paani har baar bohot Kam ionise hota hai isiliye we neglect that effect So when our values contradict facts Like acid hai par ph neutral Base hai par ph neutral Then we gotta consider that as well kyunki us negligible effect se hi acidity/basicity aa rahi hai Yeah it sure is But it's not 7
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
okk but in calc hum agr consideration me le rhe say in this example of hcl tht u gave so much should i take the value of H+ from water how do i get that value yh i hve realised neglecting some values are very imp otherwise it drives u nuts
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
Write the expression of ka and H+ concentration as you did for the others Just consider the contribution of water as well
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
yh tht i got but what value to take of for the ions of h+ from h20, how do i get tht ? tht is what i dont understand
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
They give 10^-7 right? Water molecules
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
we going to take this only all the time? wont it chnge?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora•4mo ago
Yes at 25°C utna hi karta hai water H+ concentration becomes 10^-7 plus 10^-7 pH = -log(2×10^-7) That thing I just checked online....turns out to be 6.79 apparently
Sephrina
SephrinaOP•4mo ago
okk got it thnkss +solved @Nimboi @Varun_Arora
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iTeachChem Helper•4mo ago
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