NLM 2

Shouldn’t the force increase here and normal decrease?
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Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
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Sephrina
Sephrina2mo ago
is it b?
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Nope
flower
flower2mo ago
But I think you figured that out as well and it's not the answer?
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Sadly this is also not the case I agree with the force wala part But acc to ans Reaction force wont even change Ig there is something we are missing out in the reaction force
SchrodingerBilla
All the equations are at instant @Real potato Proportional isliye as elasticity vagerah property ke liye
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
But ye ans nahi hai
SchrodingerBilla
I think force wala part should be correct Is hemisphere fixed or can move? @Real potato
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Fixed nhi Force decrease hoga apka increase ara
Atom
Atom2mo ago
mere sir ne ye mathematical proof ke sath solve kiya tha but I forgot he used the thing where forces on a single point and use sine rule on them I remember he used the height of the pulley from centre and the radius as constants and got the force and normal reaction in terms of them and a trigonometric term related to the angle taken from ball to centre Lami' s theorem
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
I get your point, i know that this is the exact solution of this que mentioned in the book But where am i making mistake @SirLancelotDuLac can you take a look at this:uhh:
Atom
Atom2mo ago
thinking of the force being acted along the tangent it won't happen always
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
uhh can you elaborate?
Atom
Atom2mo ago
only at a single point where line from pulley is tangent you took the force and mgsin along the same line but will it always happen?
SirLancelotDuLac
Is this a qualitative question? As the surface becomes more horizontal, the component of mg alonf the string decreases and hence F must decrease as well, while that perpendicular to surface increases, so R increases as well.
Atom
Atom2mo ago
remember that the pulley is fixed and so is the hemisphere
SirLancelotDuLac
Giving the answer as B ig.
Atom
Atom2mo ago
the line joining pulley and ball won't always be tangential to the hemisphere
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Ans is c
Atom
Atom2mo ago
and mg sin is always tangential to surface
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
i get ur point
SirLancelotDuLac
Oh right. Its more like string tries to go vertically. Dem this is hard.
Atom
Atom2mo ago
Indeed
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Can there be any alternative solution to this? Except for that lami theorem and sine rule thing
Atom
Atom2mo ago
I was thinking of asking sir but can't really find him free nowadays
SirLancelotDuLac
I feel like other solutions would require a ton of geometry though :/
Atom
Atom2mo ago
lami one already requires tons of equations making angles
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Not really The ans to this que thru lami is just like 2-3 lines
Atom
Atom2mo ago
bhai dhundne me to rona agya
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
xD
Atom
Atom2mo ago
we got to lami just because the ball moved " gradually " so we assumed net forces to be ≈ 0
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
yeah but lami wali cheez jesa solutions kbhi click ni krta so im trying to find thru general approach Yeah
SirLancelotDuLac
Idk man, I forgor phycix atp. :sweaty:
Atom
Atom2mo ago
imma try too
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
🔥 yeah :aah:
Atom
Atom2mo ago
bhai hua kya
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
abhi to ni if ill get something ill ping u
SchrodingerBilla
pulling force ki baat karra saar
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Acha acha vesa But normal force constant wla kese ayega fir @Priyam Alok
SchrodingerBilla
Lemme try and reply in morning
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
@Priyam Alok kuch aya kya bro @Sephrina ye wla close kr dena please i got it solved by my teacher
Sephrina
Sephrina2mo ago
bot is down rn i will do once it starts
Real potato
Real potatoOP2mo ago
Okay

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