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Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
last one
Monishrules
Monishrules4w ago
uhh sn2 me non polar solvent ke hisab se dekhna hai shayad? hmm maybe not
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
sn2 hogi?
Monishrules
Monishrules4w ago
solvent beneze hai nahi shayad
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
hmm vahi
Monishrules
Monishrules4w ago
no kis karan se
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
mai puchra tha tune bola na upar
CorrodedCoffin
sn2 hogi yes ambident nucleophile
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
acha tbbhi fir kya akrein
CorrodedCoffin
A nahi hai fs baaki nhi samjh aa rha
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
prabhu ki zarurat ha
CorrodedCoffin
aisa prateet hota hai ki mano prabhu vishram kar rhe hai let the soldier rest for a while
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
satya ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Prabhu vishram nahi kar raha ab Prabhu ke paas samay nahi hai 🙂
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
ARE PRABHU
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Subah na nahana pade isiliye abhi nahane Gaya tha
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
pranam
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Or kal subah 9 se 1 class hai Fir dopahar ko 2 se 5 baje tak lab session hai Poora din is packed af And maths thodi bhayanak ho gayi hai 🙂
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
koi baat nahi prabhu, aaj aapke shishyon nei khud ke saval khud hi bana dale
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So ab mujhe thoda roj padhna padega 😭🙏
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
bas ek saval rehgaya ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Yahi vala na?
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
yeah
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Ruko ye to dekh hi leta hun Dekho Jo mujhe lag raha hai First glance Br- jiske saath attach ho jaaye
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
why so isme dekhna kya ha exactly
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Dekho Rxb ho gayi Uske baad Br- nikla hai
CorrodedCoffin
arey paay laagu
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So agar vo kahin or chala jaaye reaction ke bahar
CorrodedCoffin
bro lives in future
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Bas karo lmao 😭🙏 So le chatelier principle kinda That takes the reaction more forward
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
lechatelier principle idhar
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Although this is not reversible Basically tum right side se kuch hatayoge To left to right jayegi na reaction jyada You have the intuition for that from equilibrium and thermo right?
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
haan haan
CorrodedCoffin
kahin bhi lag sakta woh
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So Br- ko hatana hai Somehow
CorrodedCoffin
especially jab kinetics ki baat ho
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So B and D na ho rahe B khud nucleophilic hai
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
hmm dhyan mein nahi aaya tha ye
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Won't interact with Br-
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
okayy
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
D bhi nahi kar payega Amide hai It isn't electrophilic at all Requires very strong nucleophile So it's either A or C
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
Br nahi kar payega vo
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Yes So now I'm leaning more towards A 'cause Br- vahan consume hone lagega But again You see Cl- forming there Which can attack again And form the catalyst again
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
a mein?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So thoda doubtful Yes
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
hmm answer c ha vese
CorrodedCoffin
ek sec how do we want the solvent to be polar aprotic right?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
SN2 hai to polar aprotic
CorrodedCoffin
def not. KCN uske saath react kar jayega
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
I don't have a very good reason but mai C ke hi saath jaata Yeah a good enough reason
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
ek sec solvent benzene nahi ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So basically all we are trying to do is Keeping Br- busy So at some instant The equilibrium shifts forward Not in a very significant amount But it does Yes but as I've told you guys before solvent isn't a requirement It's a perk It facilitates the reaction Never decides the mechanism Isn't *
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
agar ek solvent acidic ha aur ek basic to vo mech decide nahi karte?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Mai tab baat kar raha hun jab solvent react nahi kar raha actually
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
acha vo theek ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Acidic basic ke case me to solvent khud reagent hai na
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
yea ya
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So C ke case me Vo Cl- ko replace karta rahega From time to time Kabhi Br- Kabhi Cl-
CorrodedCoffin
sorry i missed the above part can u explain B and D kyu nahi hai
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Then after a while jiski lattice enthalpy jyada hogi Vo stabilise ho jayega but hamara kaam ho jayega tab tak
CorrodedCoffin
i figure aniline is a good nucleophile so cn ki jagah badi chain uspe jayegi ??
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
bit confused tbh
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
B is nucleophilic itself so won't budge with Br- D is an amide; not anywhere near electrophilic so Br- won't interact Cyanides aren't very electrophilic to break it to you:) Sadly it's taught this way ki cyanide pe attack ho gaya But unless the medium is acidic
CorrodedCoffin
can we say that due to resonance theres high electron density on oxygen which acts as nucleophile
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Cyanides don't behave as electrophiles Which oxygen are you talking about
CorrodedCoffin
unpe toh waise bhi -ve chrge hai electrophile toh ban hi ni sakta
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
in D
CorrodedCoffin
C=0 one
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
vo double bond vala O
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Just understand ki Br- Cl- exchange hote rehenge That oxygen is sp2:) Not very nucleophilic
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
hmm kabhi ek lagke tut gaya, kabhi dusra
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Chahe electron density ho bhi
CorrodedCoffin
resonance toh ho rhi na N ke lp resonate karenge
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
aisa kyun hota ha
CorrodedCoffin
toh Oxygen pe -ve ayaega na
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
haan sahi baat ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
But neutral resonance structure jyada major hogi Ek counter question hai mera When you study enolates Why do you attack from the carbon
CorrodedCoffin
yeh baat bhi shi hai
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Why not oxygen?
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
hmm
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Negative charge aa raha hai uspe You see the problem is You have a better and more nucleophilic thing to attack
CorrodedCoffin
O ka -ve neeche laake double bond se karte right
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
So statistically favour hoga
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
haan
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Ki better chiz attack kare Yeah that but attack carbon ke negative se hota hai na That's what we are concerned about rn
CorrodedCoffin
han
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Vaise hi Is case me bhi
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
acha isliye O ko chod dete aise hi
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Nitrogen is more nucleophilic than that oxygen In the same molecule
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
yeah thats true
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Yup Uska attack hoga bhi To that would recerse Reverse*
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
acha B aur D to sorted ha fir
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Yup B and D nope A as hardcore said React kar lega That CN will react So we are left with C And that's correct:)
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
ek bar A react kyu karega reason dedo
CorrodedCoffin
bhai abhi band mat karna ill read this again later
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
mera ha doubt abhi acha theek h
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
A is benzylic right
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
yep
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
SN2 acchi hoti hai benzylic pe Padha hoga
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
haan
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Iska reason is in molecular orbitals To thoda mushkil hoga Samjhana
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
reason chodo abhi
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Hmm
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
itna hi bahut ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
To benzylic position pe CN react karke Reagent consume ho jayega Hamara actual molecule react karne ki bajaye benzylic vala karne lag jayega
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
alrightt ho gaya lagta open rkhta kl firse pdhunga
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Kuch ho to pooch lo Mai bas jaake sota hun
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
aap vishraam kariye prabhu
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Wish me luck Kal mai nahi meri laash vapas aayegi classes ke baad 😭🙏
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
prabhu ko kon hara sakta ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Bhai itna hectic pichle 1 saal me kabhi nahi hua jitna kal hai Bhai tumne bohot sir chadha rakha hai mujhe 😭🙏
Prasan
PrasanOP4w ago
sbke saath hota koina
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora4w ago
Hmm vo to hai Chalo jaata hun Bye
Prasan
PrasanOP3w ago
byee Kardun close? @hardcoreisdead

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