HGL
quickest-silver
Where are the real games stored?
Whether it's installing mods or even just "save scumming", I can't figure out where anything is stored. I am using Heroic Flatpak Mint.
Take Enter the Gungeon, trying to find the saves-
Heroic says it's installed at "Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon" But that's at least not all of the game, certainly not where the saves are.
It is also at Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/unk/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon The 2, 3, and 4 location show similar files as each other the first location is radically different from the rest. Found those doing a complete drive search. I tried installing a mod for Gothic 2 before as well at the location Heroic says the game is but it acted like the mod wasn't there. Probably because Gothic 2 is in a whole bunch of locations as well. So which is the real location? Is some of this mess due to having it installed via Flatpak? Could I switch from Flatpak install and keep my games installed or would have to delete all my games and reinstall via package or whatever if I wanted to switch from Flatpak, if Flatpak is the fault of all this difficulty?
It is also at Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/unk/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon The 2, 3, and 4 location show similar files as each other the first location is radically different from the rest. Found those doing a complete drive search. I tried installing a mod for Gothic 2 before as well at the location Heroic says the game is but it acted like the mod wasn't there. Probably because Gothic 2 is in a whole bunch of locations as well. So which is the real location? Is some of this mess due to having it installed via Flatpak? Could I switch from Flatpak install and keep my games installed or would have to delete all my games and reinstall via package or whatever if I wanted to switch from Flatpak, if Flatpak is the fault of all this difficulty?
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quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Also I wonder if this duplication thing is causing more of my drive space to be used up
rising-crimson•2mo ago
"Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon" should be where the game's main files are located. AppData is where user data like settings and save files go. Not quite sure why you have three of them, have you been messing around with other wine/proton versions on this prefix?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Maybe it got switched over to other wine/proton versions with updates to Heroic etc. How do I remove the deprecated installs?
Is there a way I can get all this stuff stored in one location that I can easily go to? I don't understand why saves and settings would be in some obscure absurdly long directory one has to search the entire drive to go to, even if there was only one of them. Would having Heroic installed via package or something instead of Flatpak fix it so games would be entirely installed in one location?
rising-crimson•2mo ago
It's Wine/Proton that's doing this, how you have Heroic installed shouldn't make much of a difference. Your prefixes should all be wherever "Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default" is, which I think is your home directory by default. Inside the prefix, stuff typically lands in roughly the same place as it would on a Windows system which, for a lot of modern games, is the "AppData" folders in \users{username}\AppData which ends up being relative to the "drive_c" folder inside a Wine prefix.
It takes a bit to get your head around it, but it is consistent
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
So how come the save files are not in "win prefix folder" location Heroic lists? Is there a place in Heroic for it to take you to where the save and setting files are?
And again, how do I remove the depreciated installs/files?
I can't just delete anything, I don't even know which one is the correct one
rising-crimson•2mo ago
Ah, I think I see what's going on now. I think you only have one copy of the AppData folder within the prefix, it's just being symlinked into 2-3 different locations
"pfx" symlinks back on itself and the folder corresponding to your local user name is symlinked to "steamuser"
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But if I add folders for copying files and stuff that remains with one location and not duplicated in other locations, so it can't be all the same location linked from different palces
symlink means shortcut to?
rising-crimson•2mo ago
Where are you adding those folders? The "AppData" locations should all point to the same data as I believe the "pfx" and "unk" folders are symlinks, at least that's what it looks like on my system
Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon <- this is the only "real" path of those three
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Inside the folders in question
Basically different stuff at the different locations
genetic-orange•2mo ago
heroic only has information about the save path IF the game provides that information (only when the game supports cloud saves)
to find the saves path for any game you can check pcgamingwiki https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Enter_the_Gungeon#Save_game_data_location and look for that inside the prefix (some games do store saves in other places, but most will do it inside the prefix)
it's weird though that it shows an empty value for epic games launcher there in the website
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
If it was a shortcut then changes in one location like the addition of a file or folder, should be reflected in the other locations, but that is not the case
If two of those are shortcuts, they should all be leading to the same actual address, but they aren't as evidenced by the locations being different in content
rising-crimson•2mo ago
"pfx" might not be a symlink in this situation, in which case you ignore the folders around it and go straight in to pfx/drive_c
Whatever is actually going on, you need to stop relying on what the file search is telling you and navigating directly to wherever "Games/Heroic" and "Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default" are in a file manager
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
You mean "wine prefix folder"? That location Heroic links me to does not have the save files at the very least.
I would be fine using the links in Heroic if it actually took me to where I need to be, it does not.
Also again how do I remove the deprecated install/entry parts?
funny-blue•2mo ago
you can easily find out if your pfx/drive_c and drive_c are symlinked
ls -l
if they arent then, where your save is depends on which prefix type you used to play the game and create those saves.. and where the game stores the filesquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Just put "ls -l" in terminal? I did that, and it gave results I don't know how to interpret. But that doesn't matter, I already know it's not a short cut location because they have different content!
How do I remove the redundant content?!? I keep asking!
Is there something in Heroic that will shortcut me to the save files, settings etc of a game?
funny-blue•2mo ago
there's not a clean way without just deleting the prefix and letting it get regenerated
i'd still validate that the directories arent symlinked.
you cd to the prefix directory, run ls -l and you will see something like
pfx -> /some/path
ls just lists a directory's contents
-l shows the list output
(its more verbose)
so the questions are: what wine are you using, wine-ge? proton-ge? something else? that dictates the prefix structurequickest-silverOP•2mo ago
It's using Proton GE
funny-blue•2mo ago
then what game? not all games put their save in app data,
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I mention the game title numerous times in my OP. Enter the Gungeon.
funny-blue•2mo ago
your prefix will only have extra random data if you changed wine types.. if its always been proton ge then its unlikely really that messy
so its in app data as per the link arieljuod gave you
proton ge puts stuff in pfx
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
nope
funny-blue•2mo ago
show
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
show what how?
funny-blue•2mo ago
take a screen shot of the folder you say its not in
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
funny-blue•2mo ago
what path is this
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon
funny-blue•2mo ago
can you past full path
that shouldnt be your prefix
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
prefix?
funny-blue•2mo ago
your wineprefix should not be in that folder
post logs
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
oops wrong folder
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
funny-blue•2mo ago
what path is this
that's just the game folder
you need the prefix.
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
it's home/~/Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon
funny-blue•2mo ago
yeah thats just the game files
you need your wine prefix folder
which would be in Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/EnterTheGungeon (or similar) by default
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
You were being so vague
funny-blue•2mo ago
what is vague? this is very precise
i've asked for the prefix folder many times now.. you have not given it to me yet
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
"show" "take a screen shot of the folder you say *its not in""
You claim that's not vague language...
funny-blue•2mo ago
its not? anyway can you show me the contents of the prefix folder
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
You didn't say "prefix"
funny-blue•2mo ago
what is the folder you say is different ?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
What different than what?
funny-blue•2mo ago
you keep talking about two folders that contain different content
what two folders are those
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
@Allora
If you are asking about what I was talking about in my OP I detailed all of that along with the name of the game I mentioned many times explicitly yet for some reason you asked.
funny-blue•2mo ago
post the game log...
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
This is the folder Heroic takes me to when I click on Win Prefix folder in Heroic for this game
funny-blue•2mo ago
so is your save data not in the app data folder in there?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
No
funny-blue•2mo ago
what sin the app data folder
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
It does seem to be in three other locations, of which I mentioned in my OP
"sin"?
funny-blue•2mo ago
typo
whats in
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
What do you mean by app data folder?
funny-blue•2mo ago
you have an app data folder in this screen shot.... you have to go into drive_c/users/<username>/AppData
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
You mean what Heroic calls "install path" with link?
funny-blue•2mo ago
as per the wiki link
no its in your prefix
i dunno if you know anything about windows, but appdata is a folder in your user directory
which in the wine prefix is in drive_c/users/<username>
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
You mean "wine prefix folder"? I already linked that
funny-blue•2mo ago
yeah you are right there, go into drive_c!
then into the users folder
then go into app data folder
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Then?
funny-blue•2mo ago
the path is in the wiki
\AppData\LocalLow\Dodge Roll\Enter the Gungeon\
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Probably one of the three locations I mentioned in my OP
funny-blue•2mo ago
this one Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/unk/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon
that appears to be the one that gets used
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
"Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon" yep mentioned in my OP
funny-blue•2mo ago
but i dont know for sure cuz you arent posting logs
the other two paths look like you broke some configuration at some point
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
where are the logs?
funny-blue•2mo ago
on the game page in heroic
logs will tell you what prefix the game uses..just to confirm that those others arent in use
but this is a mess
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
It's the stuff in "report problem running the game" right?
funny-blue•2mo ago
it looks like at one point youu sed wine and proton and had the prefix folder set to default and not default/Enter the Gungeon
yeah
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
@Allora
funny-blue•2mo ago
so to be clear, you arent running proton, you're using wine ge for this (whichis fine but dated) and your prefix is indeed at the middle path in your OP, so your saves should be in
Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/unk/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon.. the other ones id wager arent used.. the problem is who knows how many games are using that messed up config that created the extra folders.. so its hard to just delete them
you might have to go through and look at all your installed games and find the ones using improper prefix directoriesquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
This is what Heroic says I am using, if I am not using Proton, why does it say Proton there?
funny-blue•2mo ago
because its named poorly haha
its wine-ge
its basically wine with proton ge patches
which is different than proton ge, which requires either the steam runtime or umu
wine-ge does not depend on that runtime
really though going forward on newly installed games you should be using proton-ge
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
" so your saves should be in Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/unk/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon.."
But is there nothing with Heroic that actually directly takes me to where my saves are? Heroic should be providing shortcuts to where any games save and settings are
funny-blue•2mo ago
no, and the saves can be anywhere every game does saves differently
there isnt a consistent location for game saves
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Can't Heroic know based on the game in question?
funny-blue•2mo ago
not unless its in the manifest, which only games with cloud saves carry that info
so lots of games just wont have any information
its not like steam or egs on windows give you shortcuts to save locations either
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But you were able to tell me where the saves were I think, surely Heroic could use that same information to determine as well.
funny-blue•2mo ago
from the pcgaming wiki that areiljuod linked
genetic-orange•2mo ago
we can't match games with pcgamingwiki with accuracy programatically to automate that
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Well The exact stuff past drive_c/users/<username>/AppData might vary, but that part is the same for all games with the same wine or proton right?
If I was installing this game via Windows the saves would be in the same folder as the game folder. Since Wine and proton are a compatibility layer, surely a similar predictable principle would apply?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
there's already a link to open the prefix folder in heroic, in the game details page
but not all games store things inside the prefix either, some games store saves in the game installation folder
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But there is more past that
Doesn't heroic know where everything is installed since the install is being done through heroic?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
we know where things are installed, we don't know where games store saves unless the game exposes that metadata
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
If Heroic lost track of part of the game, how could it launch it
But when installing Heroic had to create the save location? Thus it could remember that?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
we are talking about different things, I'm saying we can't have an option to open where the saves are because we can't reliably have that information
for the games that we DO have the information, there's a
cloud saves tab in the settings that shows the path
heroic does not create the save location, the game does that
for some games we do know the location and it's already visible, if the game supports cloud saves
for any other game we can't show that because we don't know that
(and we can't reliably guess it or fetch it from somewhere else)quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
through heroic/wine/proton though?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
we don't have access to what wine/proton does, we just tell wine/proton to launch the game
and games can create any folder they want, there's no way for us to know if a game is creating a saves folder or any other random folder that it needs
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
What if there was a save folder link per game that can be altered by the user once the save location is discovered so you could always have a link to a games saves through heroic? Like if you know the save location of X game, you set that line to X location and then can use that to open the folder in the future?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
what do you mean by
discovered? there's no way for heroic to accurately "discover" the saves location
we either know because the metadata says so (and it's already visible) or we don't and everything from there is not 100% reliably
unless by discovered you mean the user inputs the folder
again, we tried, heroic cannot accurately detect saves folders, some games provide that information in the metadata, others don'tquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
discovered by the user.... BTW how did you put that box around the word "discovered"?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
surround any text with backticks characters
```
something`
```quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
"unless by discovered you mean the user inputs the folder"Yes, the user finds where the saves of a game are located, can input that in a field and then from now on use that as a shortcut to open that address from Heroic on a game page.
genetic-orange•2mo ago
also, GOG games can have multiple saves folders
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
for one game?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
yes
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Like the same save file duplicated multiple times in different locations?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
no, different locations for different things it saves (I don't know the details, but games can have an array of saves locations)
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Well even one such field would be a good improvement for Heroic
Do you think I should switch all my games to Proton? Would that help make it so more stuff is in one location?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
if you use ge-proton with umu (which is the default), both
drive_c and pfx/drive_c should be a symlink by default
the recommendation is to use ge-proton with umuquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
So you think I should switch all my games to ge Proton even if they are working? How difficult will that be?
How do I delete the deprecated location/installs? I am already struggling with apparent deprecated install bits which you still haven't helped me with.
genetic-orange•2mo ago
no, don't change things that already work
but use ge-proton with umu by default for new games you install
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But I am having trouble with save management and mod installing
genetic-orange•2mo ago
you can just delete prefix folder if you want to get rid of them, they are just folders
but always make sure to backup the save files inside those folders if any
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I don't know what is correct and necessary and what is not
Also is there no more finessed solution than deleting a whole folder? Like a command that sees what is no longer used and removes them? I've heard of trim commands for Linux in general like that for resources no longer used
genetic-orange•2mo ago
in this case:
this means you were using
../Prefixes/default for a game with proton, we don't know which games you have configured with that combination
for this case:
this means you have enter the gungeon configured with the prefix pointing to .../Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon and wine, I imagine you didn't have other games with this configuration
for this case
this mean you were using ../Prefixes/default for a game with wine, we don't know which games you have with this combination
so for the games that have .../Prefixes/default as the prefix folder only you know which ones they are, you should check the games settings
in general we recommend having one prefix per game, like .../Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon or .../Prefixes/Enter the Gungeon, this is already the default behavior of heroic, when that doesn't happen it means a user changed it
for any new game you should let heroic do the default and set .../Prefixes/<game name> as the prefix
for games that you already have pointing to .../Prefixes/default, you'll have to decide what to do, you either keep things the way they are, or change the prefix and move saves around from one place to another, I wouldn't recommend this though
there's no way to run a wine command to know what is no longer used, neither wine nor heroic know that information, you as the user can check which games are using which prefix (you could be using prefixes from other applications too for example)
you can delete the Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon folders inside the prefixes you are NOT using for the game to get rid of that, and if no game is using one prefix you can delete the whole folderquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
So how do I know which ones are being used or not? And there is no way to remove them other than just manually deleting the folder?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
like I said, you have to check the settings for the different games you have and check what's in the
Wine Prefix configuration
and the only way to remove those things is deleting folder, wine does not have features to delete "unused" things because it doesn't know what's "unused"
heroic never deletes prefixes unless a user tells it to do it (during uninstallation), because there's no way for us to know what the user did in the prefix (you can modify a prefix with any tool outside of heroic's control for example)
so deleting/cleaning/clearing a prefix is always a user action, not something we can automatequickest-silverOP•2mo ago
So any idea why putting in mod stuff seems to have no effect? It's been awhile since I've tried but I have in the past tried to install mods for both Enter the Gungeon and Gothic 2, and both act like I did nothing.
genetic-orange•2mo ago
I'd recommend creating a different thread for mods, I have no idea about modding but I imagine many users will skip this long thread that maybe could have helped with that
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I haven't even been able to get Gothic 2 to work, got a old thread about that but installing a community mod was suppose to help get it working, but none of the signs of a mod being installed after following mod install instructiions appeared
Also I've been struggling with "save scumming" with Enter the gungeon, which is the main base topic of this thread
genetic-orange•2mo ago
not sure what
save scumming means
so, what is your current configuration for Enter the gungeon? what's your wine prefix?
have you found your current saves?quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Enter the Gungeon is what is called a "rogue like" game, you need to manage random finds and resources to survive as long as you can and try to finish the game. As such it is very controlling with saves saves being automatically deleted when you lose for example. I want to buypass this and continue from saves if I lose, to back up saves to replace when the game auto deletes.
"save scumming" is a judgemental term regarding using saves in a single player game to bypass this.
I don't know, I found some files where if I remove the files putting them in a backup folder, a save vanishes, and adding them back the save appears again. But if I lose and the save gets deleted then copy paste over the backup files, still no save game. It has me very confused
Also there being three locations with apparent game save files further complicates it
genetic-orange•2mo ago
that sounds like the game may have other mechanism to verify the last saves
do this: go to those 3 different locations and rename the folders to something other than
Enter the Gungeon
then run the game and let it create a save
then one Enter the Gungeon folder should be created and the other ones you renamed should be unmodified, that new folder will be the correct one
again, what is the wine prefix and wine version configuration of your game?quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
would a . before the name making it "invisible" work?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
I guess, anything that is not the folder the game expects should work
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I don't know, I thought I already gave you all that information
genetic-orange•2mo ago
I see
/home/truepurple/Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon and wine-ge 8.26 in some log up there, I don't know if that's the latest configuration you have
anyway, if that's the case, then ...Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/unk/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon is the correct saves folderquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
That's from a log I got freshly made
I mean I got the log from Heroic when you asked for it
genetic-orange•2mo ago
is that the folder you said you noticed removing/adding a save file worked?
genetic-orange•2mo ago
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/100034-enter-the-gungeon/74797088 this would explain why copying an older save after you lose is not working, the game not only stores the save, it also stores information in the windows registry to prevent save scumming
How To Save Scum - Enter the Gungeon
For Enter the Gungeon on the PC, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "How To Save Scum".
genetic-orange•2mo ago
so the folder you found before was correct, but it's not enough to restore an older save after you die, you have to modify the registry too (there are some
.reg text files inside the prefix folders with all the content of the windows registry)quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
These directory addresses are so absurdly long I'm not entirely sure. Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/unk/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeon
It also has some different files, where I am not sure which is the save file or if multiple ones are the save file. I have copy pasted all the files into backup folders when the save is made and then out of the backup folders when it is destroyed copy pasting over the existing files. I have tried just with a few files trying to determine which is the save file but that didn't work. You'd think it would be something as simple as Slota.save but apparently not
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
The other locations don't have as many of these files
genetic-orange•2mo ago
I don't really know the details of that game, I don't know which ones are the save files, you can probably check the file creating date after you do something new in the game to know what gets created/updated when you save stuff
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But these files are still there before and after I make the save, some of the files do change in size and date when changed info
genetic-orange•2mo ago
I don't really know what enter the gungeon does internally, for that maybe someone else knows, I don't
but the main thing for save scumming to work for this game is:
- you need to restore a backup
- AND you need to modify the registry
it's not enough to restore the files
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Anyway I also want to install a mod for Gungeon, which may also help with the save, I am not sure how to apply the instructions for installing the mod to heroic flatpak. I tried before and the mod just never showed up
genetic-orange•2mo ago
what are the mod instructions?
which step are you not sure about?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
It's been awhile since I tried but from what I recall just putting files you download in the right location within the game
None of the steps particularly confused me that I recall, it just didn't work, the mod wasn't there
I mean when the game loads it's not modded
Same with Gothic 2
genetic-orange•2mo ago
if the files should be put along the game installation files, that's somewhere inside
/home/truepurple/Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon
if the files should be put somewhere else in some common windows folder, then it should be in some folder inside ...Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/ which would be its fake C: drivequickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Well since the instructions are for a Windows install, I wouldn't know whether to put it at that other location
genetic-orange•2mo ago
I don't know what to tell you if I can't see the instructions, but I imagine they either tell you to put the files somwhere in the installation directory or somewhere else
and those are the 2 cases I mentioned above
any windows location you see in the instructions is that same thing but inside the
drive_c folder of your prefix, unless it's the game installation directory, then it's /home/truepurple/Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeonquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I will dig up the instructions and try again and come back latter
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
@arieljuod https://thunderstore.io/package/bbepis/BepInExPack/ Mod manager is likely not to work with Heroic and Linux?
Thunderstore
BepInExPack v5.4.2120
Unified BepInEx all-in-one modding pack - plugin framework, detour library
genetic-orange•2mo ago
I never used any mod or mod manager ever so I don't know, but I'd imagine the application won't understand linux file structure to do whatever it would do on windows
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
@arieljuod I need to set launch argument to ./start_game_bepinex.sh %command% But that's for Steam, where do you go to set launch argument for Heroic?
funny-blue•2mo ago
@arieljuod @truepurple i thought we established game saves were at
Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/ as this is where the log points the prefix is. the other two folders mentioned are from two other bad configs and probably old or not used. simply comparing the last modified times in each folder should reveal how long ago they were used vs the last time you used it.
If you dont really need the saves in any of these folders, i'd suggest you just delete them all and let the game recreate them in the right place.
then you wont be confused about the other foldersquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
saves are not there
funny-blue•2mo ago
i thought you just said they were
you said you removed saves, they disappeared, put them back, and they were back
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Different location
funny-blue•2mo ago
in any case if you dont need any of the saves, i suggest deleting all the save folders
then let the game recreate them, then you wont be confused by multiple locations anymore
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Where to go In heroic for setting launch arguments?
I do need the saves
funny-blue•2mo ago
well which ones are the right ones?
only you can say that
but the logs say its in
Games/Heroic/Prefixes/default/Enter the Gungeon/drive_c/users/<user>/AppData/LocalLow/Dodge Roll/Enter the Gungeonquickest-silverOP•2mo ago
@Allora Where to go In heroic for setting launch arguments?
funny-blue•2mo ago
one thing at a time, but you would use alternate exe in the game settings
you would not use %command% just pass the script
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
@Allora I don't understand you, the instructions say to put that launch argument but that's for Steam, what is Heroics version?
funny-blue•2mo ago
or set it as the wrapper .. not sure what this script is for
just set that script either as a wrapper or alternate exe thats all
i dont know what it does so cant really tell you more
it really depends on what this script is for
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I don't know what you are talking about. I am suppose to put "./start_game_bepinex.sh %command%" in "launch argument" There is a specific part of Steam where you put commands like that for getting things to work. It's the same field, doesn't vary according to what you are trying to do, the command is what varies according to what you are trying to do. Many instructions for getting games to work use this.
What is Heroics version of "launch argument" field, or are you saying Heroic doesn't have that?
funny-blue•2mo ago
in the game's advanced settings, there are several sections: wrapper, alternate exe, script to run before the game, script to run after the game.. i assume this would go in one of those spots, but i have no idea what this script does or is for so i cant tell you which one
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I believe this is it, what is Heroics version?
funny-blue•2mo ago
i literally just said, go to the game's settings page, advanced tab
there are a bunch of options what you choose depends on what this script does
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Which of those fields are equivalent to Steams launch argument field?
funny-blue•2mo ago
it depends on what this does....
as i've said a few times
i dont know what this script is so i cant tell you where it goes
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
No it doesn't it's a set field that applies a set way depending on the command, what is Heroics version of it?
Are you trying to say Steams version magically changes how it works depending on what it is needed for? It just used the command
funny-blue•2mo ago
no im saying i dont know what this script is for, so i cant tell you where it belongs
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
It doesnt matter what the script is for, what part of Heroic has the same function as this field in Steam????!???? https://discord.com/channels/812703221789097985/1405807092094210131/1406502619458834614
funny-blue•2mo ago
that's what im saying... its not identical. heroic has many more ways to add flags and commands and scripts.. and how you do it depends on what you are doing.
funny-blue•2mo ago
if you are just passing game arguments its this. as it plainly says in the advanced tab
funny-blue•2mo ago
but that is unlikely what you want because you have a script
it probably belongs in the script to run before the game starts
but i cant say because again i have no idea what this script does.
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I don't know what it's for, I'm just using instructions for installing this mod
funny-blue•2mo ago
then post its contents
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
So you are saying Heroic doesn't have a functional equivalent to Steams launch argument field?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
funny-blue•2mo ago
Why didnt you do this? you are running the game through proton right?
Windows Click "Manual Download" on Thunderstore. Inside the downloaded .zip file. Run the "r2modman Setup X.X.X.exe" (where X.X.X is the current version). Follow the steps in the installer.you would just run that exe via the "run on prefix" option in the game settings
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
The instructions include adding a line in Steams launch arguments....
Are you saying I should just ignore part of the install instructions?
funny-blue•2mo ago
i cant know what the installer does when you run it
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Like I do.
funny-blue•2mo ago
i dont see anything that says put this line in steam?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Did you download it and look at the install instructions? It sounds like you haven't
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
funny-blue•2mo ago
why would i down load it
i went off the instructions on the site you gave me
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Why would you download it, see where it says to download it and follow the installer instructions, you point to that and say "just do that", well those installer instructions say I need to put that Steam launch line!!!
instructions that say to follow the installation instructions that come with the download!!!!
I linked you to said read me file above
funny-blue•2mo ago
you should be following the windows instructions
if you are playing via proton or wine, you use the windows instructions
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
"Configuration (Windows)
No need to configure. Simply run the game. If everything is correct, you will see a console pop up."
funny-blue•2mo ago
after you've run the install yea
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Installation (manual)
If you are installing this manually, do the following
1. Extract the archive into a folder. Do not extract into the game folder.
2. Move the contents of
BepInExPack_EtG folder into <Steam Location>\steamapps\common\EtG. Then just run the game, if it were Windowsfunny-blue•2mo ago
which more or less looks like you just copy the files into the game directory
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
So Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon or Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon/EtG_Data? or somewhere else?
I don't know how "<Steam Location>\steamapps\common\EtG" translates into Heroic.
funny-blue•2mo ago
its where the game is installed, so Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon
it translates to the same thing really. just the path to the game directory is different
sounds like you take whatever is in BepInExPack_EtG and put it in Games/Heroic/EnterTheGungeon
this is how most mods work, by modifying game files, which are the files at the game's install location
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I don't know what it means by "console pop up" but everything looks the same, it does not seem like the mod is installed
funny-blue•2mo ago
a console pop up like a dos box or something
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But nothing is pointing it to using the mod so it is not suprising
nothing like that happened when I load the game
funny-blue•2mo ago
if the mod replaces game files.. there wouldnt be anything that points to the mod
depends on the mod tbh
some mods just replace the game executables or files, so how you start it doesnt change
others might have a launcher
really dpends
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Well I put the files where you said according to the Windows instructions like you said, it did not work
Maybe that isn't the correct location?
funny-blue•2mo ago
how did you copy it?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
copy paste
funny-blue•2mo ago
did you copy the folder over to your install
or did you copy the things in that folder over the installed files
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I copied the contents of the folder it said into the location you said to use
not that folder itself, just it's contents
It did not write over any installed files
funny-blue•2mo ago
what is the contents of that folder you copied from?
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I had some help from them and got it working it seems, though apparently it doesn't do anything by itself
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Running under Proton/Wine (Linux/Mac/SteamOS/etc.) | BepInEx Docs
BepInEx documentation and API listing
foreign-sapphire•2mo ago
Gale Mod Manager is a better alternative
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foreign-sapphire•2mo ago
and it has a linux version
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foreign-sapphire•2mo ago
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foreign-sapphire•2mo ago
something happened a month ago
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Don't games on Windows always put their saves within the games directory? If so, why wouldn't games running through wine/proton as though it were windows always put saves in the same game save address just like it would within Windows?
foreign-sapphire•2mo ago
not always
some store saves in %LocalAppData%
some in their installation folder
some in Documents/My Games
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
If a game installs its saves within the installation folder within Windows, would it also do so under Proton/Wine?
rising-crimson•2mo ago
Some games still do it, but saving stuff in to the install folder is a big no-no in multiuser environments
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Why would that be? You mean MMO clients? Those don't even save games locally anyway, but always save online anyway? Or do you mean like if one were to play say Civilization with other players online with one player acting as host?
foreign-sapphire•2mo ago
no
he means local users
on the pc
(I still hate using the C: drive for everything)
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Why would putting saves in a games install directory be bad if multiple users? It could always be in a different folder. Does that mean games vary where they put the saves depending on whether there is more than one user profile? Or that games can't even know whether their is more than one user profile so must always avoid putting saves in the games directory?
Does that mean multiple users share the same game files in the first place aside from saves?
funny-blue•2mo ago
not in like 30 years
but there's no consistent place where games store save and config data
most put it in your app data folder somewhhere these days, but that wasnt always a thing, it used to go in your My Documents folder sometimes, or in the My Games folder or some other place
some games store save data in registry even
but with modern games, its very rare to put save game data outside of a directory a user has write access to.. which typically means, it wont be in the install directory.
multi user environments store user data in the user directory. And by extension save games and settings and other game config files are user data and go in the user's data directory. Applications are typically installed in a read only place using elevated permissions at install time.
this way you have one application install, and every user can have their own data and settings associated with that application
its bad because then any user can access any other user's data.
in multi user environments, other users dont have permission to see eachother's data
that's the idea
unwilling-turquoise•2mo ago
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
If not in the game install folder, where ever the game would be in windows, in linux with Heroic it would be the "wineprefix folder" + that windows address after?
funny-blue•2mo ago
On windows, the modern place to expect a game to put its save files, the user's app data folder
This folder exists in the wine prefix when run in wine/proton in
But there is no enforced standard so game devs can potentially put the save file anywhere
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But wherever that is, would it not be after "wineprefix folder" address?
funny-blue•2mo ago
typically, but some games do dumb stuff like store it in registry
which.. wont be in any folder
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
But wouldn't even registry saves be under something stored in wine/proton? Otherwise where would those saves be with Wine/Proton?
funny-blue•2mo ago
it will be in registry.. which you get to via winetricks and winecfg.. its in the prefix but not a file in the drive_c folder
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
What is the equivalent to regedit going through heroic?
funny-blue•2mo ago
you hwave to use winecfg or winetricks
its rare for games to do this but some do
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
The devs are apparently asses, and did this thing where the game adds a registry to prevent copy pasting saves, I must delete a registry to get around it. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/100034-enter-the-gungeon/74797088 What would these instructions look like for Heroic?
How To Save Scum - Enter the Gungeon
For Enter the Gungeon on the PC, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "How To Save Scum".
funny-blue•2mo ago
like i said you use winecfg or winetricks to edit registery.. i forgetwhich
but iirc it brings up a tool similar to what windows has
this isnt heroic specific, this is how wine works with this kinda stuff
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
I don't see anything that talks about registery here
funny-blue•2mo ago
like i said, either wine tricks or winecfg i forget which
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
funny-blue•2mo ago
soprobably wine tricks
quickest-silverOP•2mo ago
Does heroic being Flatpak installed verses the other method change anything regarding where this game stuff stuff goes?