I have firmware compatible with ODrive board (for pedals single axis ODrive will be enough) that su

I have firmware compatible with ODrive board (for pedals single axis ODrive will be enough) that supports FBB based on DCS telemetry. It genareates spring from speed (you can setup curve for it) as well as centering force from thrust (emulates air flow around rudder for propeller drive airplanes). In addition it generates vibration depending on AOA and G. So if you have three phase motor you can try it.

PPropeler3D I have firmware compatible with ODrive board (for pedals single axis ODrive will...

JayPi•6/27/22, 4:08 AM

Is that your bldc-ffb-wheel firmware? A hoverboard motor could be a nice drive for pedals.

JJayPi Is that your bldc-ffb-wheel firmware? A hoverboard motor could be a nice drive f...

Propeler3DOP•6/27/22, 6:39 AM

It is further development of it for joystick purposes(two axis + DCS telemetry).

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:28 PM

I´m targeting the Condor 2 Soaring Simulator. In its Input Section it shows FFB for Stick and Rudder

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:28 PM

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:29 PM

I assume that pedals mean rudder ...

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:32 PM

I agree that the easiest way is to scale a spring curve with the plane velocity. Zero velocity will mean spring rate zero or very low, higher slope if velocity increases.

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:33 PM

Would it make sense to contact the Condor developer team?

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:33 PM

Btw. FFB wit side winder 2 is really good

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:36 PM

Just a little low forcese

walmis•6/28/22, 6:36 PM

I wonder if Condor/DirectInput supports three axis FFB devices. Or one two axis device and a second one axis device for the rudders. It could be possible to connect three motors to the VPforce FFB system, just hadn't had the chance to test this yet.

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:40 PM

They adress the MS Sidwinder 2 correctly, no additional drivers needed

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:40 PM

Im using it with a Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog in parallel, no issues or conflicts.

walmis•6/28/22, 6:41 PM

Yeah, VPforce will also work the same as msffb2, just with more force. What is curious for me is the ffb rudder pedals support :)

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:42 PM

They should hand over the needed data somewhere.

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:43 PM

I will ask them if they can give us a hint.

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:44 PM

Rudder will challenge the motor as you have a lot of force in your legs, especially when things do not run well

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:44 PM

So this has to be strong and needs to handle overload conditions

walmis•6/28/22, 6:46 PM

The 86BLF motor should do the job fine for rudders

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:47 PM

I had the idea to have an output connector on the FFB joystick that delivers the airspeed to the rudder pedals.

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:48 PM

That would be enough to have a scaleable feedback force at the rudder.

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:50 PM

Can you pick this information from the game interface?

walmis•6/28/22, 6:51 PM

Yeah, I have this in my future roadmap

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:51 PM

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:52 PM

In the meantime I will contact the Condor Team.

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 6:53 PM

Can I drive a FFB Kit parallel to the joystick?

walmis•6/28/22, 6:54 PM

How do you mean?

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 7:06 PM

I use your FFB/Kit to power up the rudder and use a Joystick that uses the same kit for height and aileron

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 7:07 PM

so two have to work simultaneously / in parallel

walmis•6/28/22, 7:08 PM

Yeah, that's possible, but I will need to make some software improvements for this usage scenario

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 7:09 PM

Yes, some kind of syncronisation or coupling, master and slave

walmis•6/28/22, 7:10 PM

That too, as in syncing two joysticks bidirectionally

ccs_goebel•6/28/22, 7:10 PM

One step at a time

walmis•6/28/22, 7:11 PM

Yup. But good to have a clear roadmap :)

ccs_goebel•6/29/22, 10:23 AM

In the CONDOR 2 forum I found this http://www.simprojects.nl/rudder_pedals_with_force_feedback.htm
It uses airspeed and other information to generate rudder forces

ccs_goebel•6/29/22, 10:25 AM

https://www.condorsoaring.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19687

ccs_goebel•6/29/22, 10:25 AM

ccs_goebel•6/29/22, 10:25 AM

Here you have a interface reading data from Condor 2 and making it available for the arduino board

ccs_goebel•6/29/22, 10:27 AM

There is as well a arduino FFB Joystick library at https://github.com/YukMingLaw/ArduinoJoystickWithFFBLibrary

GitHub

GitHub - YukMingLaw/ArduinoJoystickWithFFBLibrary: An Arduino Joyst...

An Arduino Joystick Library With Force Feedback Feature - GitHub - YukMingLaw/ArduinoJoystickWithFFBLibrary: An Arduino Joystick Library With Force Feedback Feature

walmis•6/29/22, 10:28 AM

Nice starting point

walmis•6/29/22, 10:29 AM

I found the sources: https://github.com/docop/Condor2Arduino/tree/master/TutorialCs1

GitHub

Condor2Arduino/TutorialCs1 at master · docop/Condor2Arduino

Program to send Condor Soaring UDP data to a serial connected arduino - Condor2Arduino/TutorialCs1 at master · docop/Condor2Arduino

PiNKSH!T•6/29/22, 10:48 AM

Hi there, I love the product you have made here & congratulations on making such a product for the flight sim community. I have a few questions, is the VKB adapter in stock yet? is there a solution provided or one that is regularly used to attach the VKB grip externally to the black box?

walmis•6/29/22, 10:52 AM

Hey, thanks! I'm finalizing the adapter project and it will be available soon as I will need to ship it with a few Rhinos in the upcoming batch. It will twist on the TM/Virpil threads and will have a extension cable with a GX12 4pin connector to attach to the VKB black box.

PiNKSH!T•6/29/22, 10:53 AM

So will it work fully with a VKB MCGU + 200m curved extension? & the KG12 ww2 grip?

walmis•6/29/22, 11:01 AM

It's a simple passthrough, so if the the mounting is the same as in the pic, should work

PiNKSH!T•6/29/22, 11:03 AM

yes that looks to be the same as my gunfighter 3 base connection

walmis•6/29/22, 11:03 AM

I'll post a pic once I fully finish one

PiNKSH!T•6/29/22, 11:04 AM

are you thinking of making any other FFB flight sim products mainly a yoke & rudder pedals?

walmis•6/29/22, 11:05 AM

In due time, currently fully swamped with Rhino stuff

walmis•6/29/22, 11:06 AM

But the underlying drive system can fully support both, just a matter of mechanics and additional software improvements

PiNKSH!T•6/29/22, 11:07 AM

Ok good to know I'll keep an eye out. I'm legit in the market for a FFB joystick base first, I just made a big (for me) purchase of flight sim gear so it will be almost christmas by the time I will be looking at making the purchase of one but I very much like the look of yours

I have firmware compatible with ODrive board (for pedals single axis ODrive will be enough) that su

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