I know that there are published numbers for the force required, but I was hoping somebody who has fl

I know that there are published numbers for the force required, but I was hoping somebody who has flown with a heavily springed VKB on an extension can compare to the VPforce. I'm currently on 2 no. 50 springs, and the force required to get full deflection is quite significant. What has been the experience for people using the VPforce?

KKhangirey I know that there are published numbers for the force required, but I was hoping...

sko•7/14/22, 5:18 AM

I'm flying with the same setup with centering cams 200mm ext and honestly my ms ffb2 stick has more force than that. I can hardly fly without ffb, it's just no fun, hoping the rhino will bring that back and I won't suck with the 14 like I do with my vkb. But when I get it I'll let you know how it feels.

KKhangirey I know that there are published numbers for the force required, but I was hoping...

sko•7/14/22, 5:19 AM

Still alot of work left, this is just the initial.

Ssko Still alot of work left, this is just the initial.

Vulkan•7/14/22, 5:22 AM

Woah thats pretty great

Vulkan•7/14/22, 5:22 AM

Its that a shaker pad or just cushion

VVulkan Its that a shaker pad or just cushion

sko•7/14/22, 5:32 AM

It's the gametrix jetpad, im messing with padding since the motors dig in pretty hard.

KKhangirey I know that there are published numbers for the force required, but I was hoping...

walmis•7/14/22, 5:59 AM

If you want to go scientific you can measure the force of the spring with a hook scale in kg at the base of the grip, to get Newtons - 1kg - 10N and multiply that by length from pivot to measurement point in m, you'll get the actual Nm

ddrake1984•7/14/22, 12:27 PM

Or just ask me

ddrake1984•7/14/22, 12:27 PM

ddrake1984•7/14/22, 12:28 PM

Y’ know we keep this info on the hotas server

walmis•7/14/22, 12:37 PM

Is there a reference torque in Nm ?

AndyHill•7/14/22, 12:47 PM

is 50+50 officially recommended?

AndyHill•7/14/22, 12:47 PM

I thought the max was 40+50

Ssko Still alot of work left, this is just the initial.

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 1:26 PM

is the seat that high because you're working on it or because that's where you want it to be?

KKhangirey I know that there are published numbers for the force required, but I was hoping...

TheFace•7/14/22, 2:19 PM

which grip / extension?

TheFace•7/14/22, 2:21 PM

50 + 50 with the MCGU on a 200mm is still pretty light in force, the short grips like the K12/SCG/F14 50/50 on 200mm is what I would term medium weight.

TheFace•7/14/22, 2:21 PM

VPC MT50 (OG not the V2) at the same height I can get much heavier

PPfhoenix you can buy M6 t-nuts and literally mount the Rhino directly to the profile

amadeus•7/14/22, 2:21 PM

Just to confirm/clarify, it should fit/attach to this center piece?

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 2:28 PM

that's not what I said

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 2:29 PM

I said the Rhino has M6 sized mounting holes, and extrusion profile can use M6 tnuts, allowing you to mount the Rhino directly to profile

TheFace•7/14/22, 2:40 PM

Yeah it's wider than the vpc/vkb bases

PPfhoenix I said the Rhino has M6 sized mounting holes, and extrusion profile can use M6 t...

amadeus•7/14/22, 2:42 PM

Sorry, I guess i don’t know what you mean by mounting directly to profile

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 2:42 PM

and the mounting holes are horizontally spaced 160mm

Aamadeus Sorry, I guess i don’t know what you mean by mounting directly to profile 😬

yin•7/14/22, 2:52 PM

the metal with all the slots in it is 80/20 aluminium profile.

PPfhoenix is the seat that high because you're working on it or because that's where you w...

sko•7/14/22, 3:42 PM

I wanted it higher because I have my ac vent below it, it ended up bring alot taller than I wanted in the end, but I have to climb into it so it also gives me more of a sense of realism; still debating on cutting it down though.

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 5:45 PM

cool

Frenchy•7/14/22, 6:51 PM

Ooooh, I changed color

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 7:05 PM

so jealous, I want to change color too =/

Frenchy•7/14/22, 7:05 PM

Still haven't got it though, it's due to arrive tomorrow!
Just in time for the weekend

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 7:06 PM

nice, congrats!

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 7:06 PM

super exciting, getting hardware you've been hotly anticipating

Pfhoenix•7/14/22, 7:06 PM

I'm going through that now with PC parts, as I wait for my simpit PC build to come together

FFrenchy Still haven't got it though, it's due to arrive tomorrow! Just in time for the w...

Vulkan•7/15/22, 1:12 AM

Ooh very nice! What base does that mean we're up to

AAndyHill is 50+50 officially recommended?

aniron•7/15/22, 4:33 AM

Yes, on VKB forums, by the VKB owner/chief engineer.

VVulkan Ooh very nice! What base does that mean we're up to

Frenchy•7/15/22, 4:48 AM

I'm 0005, but Walmis sent out a batch this time, not sure up to which number

walmis•7/15/22, 5:11 AM

Up to 8

sliphavoc•7/15/22, 5:12 AM

@the.face Quick update on my VKB support ticket if you're interested. After a couple rounds back and forth, I sent them some pictures and some screenshots from the VKB USB error monitoring program, they said the pins on mine "look shorter than normal" and offered to send me replacement parts (new cable with contact pads and pogo pins) for free. Unfortunately I'm a few months outside the 2-year warranty so I need to pay for shipping from China via Alibaba, which is $26. Some quick googling doesn't turn up any generic replacements (wasn't really expecting to find any for this specific part), so looks like I'll probably have to eat the cost. I don't necessarily expect companies to support their products all the way to the heat death of the universe, and I've certainly gotten my money out of this (nevertheless very expensive) joystick, but I'll say that I'm totally unconvinced that this is not a weak point in the design that is almost bound to fail eventually. Contacts are notoriously hard to make durable, and these seem worse than most. When I take it apart to put in the new parts, I'll definitely be looking for a way to cut the whole thing out and replace it with a JST plug to avoid this happening again in a couple years.

walmis•7/15/22, 5:14 AM

@sliphavoc I can sell you the contact PCBs

TheFace•7/15/22, 5:17 AM

Damage almost always happens after a non level install. Not always but it's usually the culprit. I have off level installed and it was glitchy. It didn't damage my pads at all. All the grip connectors out there require gentle handling, I know many people that have had failures on TM style. Especially the TM grip. The VPC at least went with a loose connection so the pins don't get smashed as easily.

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:19 AM

Lol, I had to resolder wires in my WH grip twice, once because the wires were not soldered properly and second time was another wire, so I resoldered the 2nd time and hot glued it all together

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:20 AM

VPC grip with twist adapter (Alpha grip) would unscrew when using ‘under normal operation’ the twist adapter on the WarBRD base, I returned both to Virpil

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:21 AM

VKB, I have only had glitch when the grip is not seated correctly (user error), otherwise its the best adapter out of them all imho

sliphavoc•7/15/22, 5:22 AM

I found a post on r/hotas from 4 months ago that almost perfectly describes the issue I'm having, complete with pictures of the contact pads that look basically like mine do, except a little worse https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/tbsfkz/any_vkb_gunfighter_owners_having_connection_issues/ I would simply rather have a free-floating plug. At least that would only have the possibility of wear when it's actually being plugged or unplugged, rather than every time I move the stick. I'm going to be very very hard to convince that this is a good design compared to the alternatives. :-D

r/hotas - Any VKB Gunfighter owners having connection issues?

7 votes and 7 comments so far on Reddit

Ssliphavoc I found a post on r/hotas from 4 months ago that almost perfectly describes the ...

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:24 AM

I have seen far more issues with plugs being ripped out of the base and tearing connectors from virpil / winwing bases because if this

sliphavoc•7/15/22, 5:24 AM

Well, I have seen far more issues with these contact pads flaking out, so I guess we're at an impasse.

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:24 AM

I would not recommend this adapter plug type over VKB which is clearly designed for hot swap

sliphavoc•7/15/22, 5:25 AM

It's not clear to me that it was well designed for hot swap.

Ssliphavoc Well, I have seen far more issues with these contact pads flaking out, so I gues...

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:25 AM

I moderate the /r/hotas and hotas discord servers, I would doubt you have seen more issues than I have

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:26 AM

I also have direct contact with Virpil/VKB/Winwing etc and I own products from all companies

sliphavoc•7/15/22, 5:26 AM

I also own products from VKB, Virpil, and TM, and only one of them is giving me problems.

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:27 AM

Issues do happen, but don’t confuse what happens with you and a couple other people that it happens to everyone

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