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A tool i think has done an amazing job is 'Dreamz' - heres a great glimpse into what their UI and ca

A tool i think has done an amazing job is 'Dreamz' - heres a great glimpse into what their UI and camera system looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ShlowOA3Rg

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How To: Create Cutscenes & Use Cameras in Dreams PS4 | Sakku's Guid...

In today's tutorial I'm showing you the options of the camera gadget and how to create a cutscene, camera paths or dollyshot in Dreams on a Playstation 4! In this I'll also explain some logic and give you some tips and tricks on the way as always.
A lot of effort went into this video so I would be thankful for any kind of support, share it with ...

Sean RodrigoOP•10/15/22, 3:52 PM

Doesnt have to be over complicated - simple steps like being able to change Focus, fov and scene brightness.

SSean Rodrigo A tool i think has done an amazing job is 'Dreamz' - heres a great glimpse into ...

andybak•10/15/22, 5:32 PM

Dreams is incredible (I bought a PSVR just to play with it!)

andybak•10/15/22, 5:32 PM

But I find the UI really overwhelming.

Aandybak But I find the UI *really* overwhelming.

Sean RodrigoOP•10/15/22, 5:48 PM

I agree, same with Quill and AnimVR - Not a case study in UI but more of a example of cinematic camera moves

AncientWorlds•10/20/22, 9:20 AM

Ability to bundle supporting elements (photos and videos) so they stay with the piece, maybe in a second folder where they can manually added or

Zandy•10/20/22, 11:24 AM

Just requested this recently as well. Would be super helpful for models as well. Once they are deleted from the folder their gone from the painting.

andybak•10/20/22, 11:31 AM

Yep. I agree this is a useful feature. Probably do this in two stages:
Step 1: The option to copy models to a subfolder of the sketch
Step 2: Add the option to embed the models in the .tilt file itself.

andybak•10/20/22, 11:32 AM

Wondering if these options are common enough to need to be in the UI - or whether adding a config file setting is enough?

andybak•10/20/22, 11:32 AM

(bearing in mind we eventually want all config file settings to be available in the UI)

Zandy•10/20/22, 11:33 AM

Honestly think a lot of people would use this! The UI integration would be amazing.

Zandy•10/20/22, 11:34 AM

Along with the ability to name and retake picture for the sketch file (please.

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mikesky•10/20/22, 12:01 PM

I think @Tim A was super interested in seeing this too - it’ll also be important when we have custom brushes

Mmikesky I think @Tim A was super interested in seeing this too - it’ll also be important...

andybak•10/20/22, 12:02 PM

Initially this would just be Media Library stuff - nothing to do with brushes

mikesky•10/20/22, 12:04 PM

I know, but Tim’s idea discussed those as well - hermetic files I believe he called them! It’s on our unused Trello

Aandybak (bearing in mind we eventually want all config file settings to be available in ...

AncientWorlds•10/23/22, 12:18 PM

Ya, UI integration would be great. Bundling models and assets is pretty valuable for portability.
Internal linking works as long as things are on the local system, then you upload and the model's gone.
Been fighting with these quirks for the last couple of days

Zandy•10/24/22, 5:02 PM

Would love to have the ability to see the picture of the sketch in the folder as an icon and the ability to retake the shot.

Zandy•10/24/22, 5:03 PM

A lot of times you do the quick save and the initial picture isnt a true final representation of the piece itself.

Zandy•10/24/22, 5:04 PM

It would also be a great option to help us rename the file directly on the desktop too.

ZZandy It would also be a great option to help us rename the file directly on the deskt...

andybak•10/24/22, 8:10 PM

You're on Mac, right? I've got a vague idea how to do today on PC via installing a shell extension but not sure what the Mac equivalent would be

andybak•10/24/22, 8:11 PM

We'd need someone with MacOS dev experience most likely and they are thin on the ground round these parts.

andybak•10/24/22, 8:12 PM

(this is about the desktop icon part of your suggestion)

Zandy•10/24/22, 8:55 PM

Hi Andy! I have a Mac but use the pc for VR

Zandy•10/24/22, 8:56 PM

I can help with anything mac if you need testing. Have an iMac 3.6 ghz 8 core i9 72g ram. Running Radeon Pro Vega 48 8gb

Zandy•10/24/22, 8:57 PM

The exe for mac is dmg

mikeage•10/25/22, 2:15 AM

Remember that we also disabled the Mac build with OpenXR because of the lack of monoscopic mode.

We could probably do a separate app for preview purposes, though

andybak•10/25/22, 8:45 AM

I guess the "Preview Icons for the Mac" use-case is either "browsing the Quest's sketches when it's connected to a Mac via USB" or "browsing sketches that have been copied over to the Mac". I suspect there's no way to show icons for the former unless we built our own equivalent to https://www.android.com/filetransfer/

andybak•10/25/22, 8:46 AM

For the latter - we'd still need to have a stub app on the Mac to implement this: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/quicklookthumbnailing/providing_thumbnails_of_your_custom_file_types

andybak•10/25/22, 8:47 AM

So @Zandy - in either case - the issue is that none of us know much about native Mac app development.

andybak•10/25/22, 8:47 AM

We'd need a kindly volunteer to wander past and offer to work on this.

andybak•10/25/22, 8:48 AM

I guess another option is a pseudo-native Unity app. But building a file browser in Unity wouldn't be fun. (ok. it would be. But building a good file browser in Android would be a lot tougher)

andybak•10/25/22, 8:49 AM

Because people have lots of experience using file browsers, any bespoke non-native alternative is going to seem really clunky.

andybak•10/25/22, 8:50 AM

But maybe it would be better than nothing. This relates to the "companion app" we've discussed in the past which could take various features that don't necessarily suit VR - or which complement VR. Sketch viewing, navigating, file-management, renaming etc.

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:21 PM

Got ya re Mac but if the icons could show even if it pulls the preview pic it would be very cool and helpful.

ZZandy Got ya re Mac but if the icons could show even if it pulls the preview pic it wo...

andybak•10/25/22, 12:28 PM

Not sure what you mean?

andybak•10/25/22, 12:28 PM

the preview pic is where the thumbnail would come from - but getting it to display in a normal Finder window isn't easy.

andybak•10/25/22, 12:28 PM

One hacky solution that @AncientWorlds suggested. Always save the thumbnail as a separate file with the same name as the sketch

andybak•10/25/22, 12:29 PM

that would display a thumbnail as it's just a normal png

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:29 PM

Oh?

andybak•10/25/22, 12:29 PM

yeah - you'd end up with twice as many files in the sketches folder. One .tilt and one .png for every sketch.

andybak•10/25/22, 12:29 PM

But at least you can see the thumbnails that way

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:30 PM

Yeah not good then. Is it hard to create a keyboard inside the app to name the file?

andybak•10/25/22, 12:30 PM

medium hardness. but that's a separate feature. Ideally you'd have that AND thumbnails

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:31 PM

Cause I hate to admit this but I hardly rename them cause as it is it’s a PITA

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:31 PM

But the feature in app would make this easy

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:32 PM

I think it’s because I would have to do this manually outside of the app in the browser after every sketch atm

andybak•10/25/22, 12:32 PM

so - renaming inside the app is better than thumbnails outside the app?

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:33 PM

Ultimately yes because if you could name it you’d know what it is but a pic preview would be awesome too for us visual peeps

andybak•10/25/22, 12:34 PM

So - I think you've requested three separate features. I'd like to list them just to be clear:

the ability to see the picture of the sketch in the folder as an icon (in Finder)
the ability to retake the shot for the sketch thumbnail.
the ability to rename sketches inside the headset.

Zandy•10/25/22, 12:34 PM

Yes please that’s my wish list

andybak•10/25/22, 12:34 PM

and in order of priority: 3, 2, 1?