So basically I got 9 months so figure shit out, develop a simple serious mobile game and release it.

So basically I got 9 months so figure shit out, develop a simple serious mobile game and release it. I think it'd be great if that was using Silk.NET

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:37 PM

we're here to answer any questions you may have about Silk and its viability on mobile platforms

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:38 PM

@keyslam "Stride currently supports Windows, Android, iOS, Xbox One and Universal Windows Platforms (UWP). Stride also supports most popular VR headsets and has experimental support for Linux."

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:38 PM

https://www.stride3d.net/

Stride Game Engine

Stride is an open-source MIT C# game engine designed for the future of gaming.

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:38 PM

might suggest at least looking into this

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:38 PM

stride may be a good choice too yeah, depends on the level of graphics code you want to write

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:39 PM

To add one more option, monogame also supports android & ios

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:39 PM

I don’t think the new versions of stride have been proven on android or iOS

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:39 PM

The Xenko versions should, but it’s using Xamarin

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:39 PM

Monogame is battle tested but has a very outdated API

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:39 PM

That would be my worry with monogame

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:40 PM

What version does it support again?

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:40 PM

outdated very much so, especially when it comes to shaders, barely functions
even still, it's another option and many successful games have been released with it

RRedhacker2 What version does it support again?

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:40 PM

opengl 2.1 (up to shader model 3)
d3d11 (up to shader model 5 iirc)
there is ofc the compute fork too but not too many people are aware of that

AAqua opengl 2.1 (up to shader model 3) d3d11 (up to shader model 5 iirc) there is ofc...

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:41 PM

yeah, I would avoid it then for anything more complex than a simple 2d game :(

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:41 PM

i dont think anyone has tested compute fork on mobile devices

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:41 PM

yeah

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:41 PM

i see no reason why it wouldn't work but i don't think it's cpt-max's priority

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:41 PM

Not to mention OpenGL is deprecated on apple platorms

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:41 PM

(it does use opengl es for mobile)

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:41 PM

so any bugs incurred are unlikely to be fit

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

that’s a fabrication

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

what are you going to use on android

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

Vulkan? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

PPerksey what are you going to use on android

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

meant apple platforms

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

to which the response apple wants you to give is metal

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

my bad

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

I love metal

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

I really wish it wasn’t apple only

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

deprecated yes but so many apps use opengl i don't think they're gonna remove it anytime soon

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:42 PM

metal is a really good api from what ive heard, but the only problem is apple only

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:43 PM

I don't want to own apple products, so I don't and have never used it

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:43 PM

~~moltenvk should technically work outside of apple platforms~~

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:43 PM

Darling is planning on making DXVK but instead having it be Metal -> VK, but thats a long ways away

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:43 PM

wait

AAqua ~~moltenvk should technically work outside of apple platforms~~

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:43 PM

what

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:43 PM

moltenvk is the vk to metla thing i forgot

Lyris the Kitori•10/29/22, 6:43 PM

yeah

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:44 PM

the thing is with metal

Perksey•10/29/22, 6:44 PM

is objective-c

JJolleyslam So basically I got 9 months so figure shit out, develop a simple serious mobile ...

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:44 PM

what game are you looking at making?

PPerksey is objective-c

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:44 PM

ah apple, how we love that you choose stuff no one else uses because why should you be able to easily port applications

Aqua•10/29/22, 6:44 PM

ive only seen a bit of objective c and it looked HORRIBLE

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:46 PM

I think before we can make a really good recommendation would really depend on A: your experience with engine dev and rendering. B: The game you want to end up making and C: the full extent of what you are expected to target. D: what the team after you will be doing

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:47 PM

Like IMHO, I aint going to suggest you build an engine to get a framework down, and then leave the entire rest of your team to pick up the pieces of an early incomplete game engine base

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:48 PM

to write their next game

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:49 PM

Competent game engines by one person can take weeks or months of hard work by an experienced dev and typically they are good for basically one game

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:50 PM

Because Silk.net is not an engine, it is not a framework, it is just wrappers and bindings

Redhacker2•10/29/22, 6:50 PM

that is all

RRedhacker2 what game are you looking at making?

JolleyslamOP•10/29/22, 6:54 PM

Nothing too too crazy, it's a serious mobile game that's supposed to help the players with living in a more sustainable, eco friendly way:
A simple 3D environment where you can do some simple customization (Terraforming terrain, putting down plants/rocks/other props, some animals): An extremely simplified version of Equilinox basically
Then a GUI that informs the player of the impact their real life actions have and challenges them to change something about it. Performing this challenge (Manually inputted) unlocks one more plant/rock/prop/animal.

I have a fair bit of experience with framework level game dev and the rendering stuff: At the very least I'd be able to setup the 3D environment rendering and UI rendering needed for this game with OpenGL. Anything beyond that would be new for me.
I've also already made a few serious mobile games (With way bigger scopes), but that was with Unity, so this is on a completely different level

The goal of making this game is not so much the game itself, but for the company to get experience with game development, and perhaps setting up the very very basics of software that can be expanded upon.

I realize that Silk.NET is just wrappers and bindings, for me that's exactly what makes it so appealing: Getting the ability to implement higher level concepts the way you want, getting control over that. The obvious downside being that building that takes an insane amount of effort, time and knowledge. But if it's feasible to setup the described game with Silk.NET within 9 months, then it's at least worth investigating that possibility.

So basically I got 9 months so figure shit out, develop a simple serious mobile game and release it.

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