Does the vpforce software show the effects that the game is sending like the openffb software
Does the vpforce software show the effects that the game is sending like the openffb software
WYes indeed, you can see it in action in my yt channel, mig-21 or ka-50 videos.
Pyes, they are shown in the "debug" tab once you start flying (won't show the effect if you're just sitting in the game menu's). To see it clearly disable all of the effects in "effects" tab (and make sure there are no loaded effects shows in the debug tab) and load the game. The debug window won't show anything at first, but once you get in to the cockpit the effect will show up in the debug tab, i think it loads the DCS Spring effect as ID:5 ..
PHey, just wondering with msfs2020 not supporting ffb natively will the VPforce software add effects itself, or do I need to add a program like XPForce?
WYeah, you will need XPforce for now
P"for now" ???? 
Wyeah, Asobo did not implement FFB support, so it's the best solution currently
POh sorry I got excited & thought you meant your software might be able to do it one day! Looks like I'll have to try XPForce. I wonder if it's any good?
WYeah, it's pretty good, there are some caveats though, like no force trim on helicopters. There's also one outstanding bug with the Rhino - the constant force direction is inverted with some XPforce effects. Due to be fixed soon.
Pahh ok, no force trim on heli's oh no! Any chance of a hardware force trim for VPforce software in the future? If that's even possible
WIt's done 
Will be in the next release
Will be in the next releaseP
Pyour so good Walmis 
PWhat about using my vkb grip going through the adapter? can I set one of it's buttons for hardware force trim or would it have to be a button going through the Rhino?
WYeah, this will be done using the "loopback" application
Pok cool, I don't know what that is but when the time comes after the update, be sure I'll need to ask
WIt essence it passes buttons along to the Rhino and imitates a virtual grip
Plol that was right above my post, mybe I should of paid attention! Ok so 'feedback loop' as in from the joystick to the pc to the Rhino?
Wyep
CIs it only for XP force ? As I have my DIY Rhino mounted with back face put in front, I had to reverse one axis. I had an issue with effects inverted in DCS or Il2. I do not remind if I had to finally invert axis in game or with your config SW to sort it out, and I do not have access to my PC to check...
PWalmis if I wanted to build a grip for the Rhino, would it need to be built as a standalone grip? Like would it need to have a usb board like Arduino that the base then picks up? or does the board inside the Rhino base handle that?
WUSB stuff is handled by the mainboard, grip is read via 5 pin shift-register TM/Virpil interface
WYou could buy a VPforce shift register board to implement grip buttons.
W
POh wow that makes it simple, well maybe not exactly simple for me. I'll definitely be interested in this at some point as I'd like to make a grip or two that aren't commonly available. Thanks again
ACan I connect the Hotas Warthog Grip directly to the SPI port of the VPForce motherboard?
WYes!
II’m making and assumption here, but I take it that board doesn’t allow for a analog axis to pass through to the main board. Does the main board have the analog input built in?
WMain board has 2 pot ports, other than that analog data could be digitized and piggy-backed on the SPI bus with an arduino as SPI-slave for example.
IAwesome thanks
PHey Walmis, to do the firmware update do I just have the Rhino plugged in & then hit 'update firmware' on the web page?
WYep
Poh cool & the loopback exe, just run that & then follow the gui?
WYep. Select Loopback grip type in the Rhino GUI too.
Phey m8 can I ask what's the 'Balanced Spring' option do?
Pis it just to help heavier grips like the vkb mcgu to stay upright?
WThe idea is turn off all other effects and adjust the balance spring so when you move the grip to the sides at various deflections and leave it there it stays put. Heavy grips tend to weigh down the more deflected they are from center, this is to counter that (if needed)
Poh ok cheers for the explanation, I might give that a go when I swap over to my mcgu next. wow firmware update was extremely easy to do! good work with that streamlined process. Oh sorry but one more question, am I missing something is there a way to save different profiles for the config software? Thanks again m8
Poh lol, ignore the profiles question
WUse Export/import functions to save the profiles
Plmao I must of had a huge brain fart! I blame Christmas!
Poh hey, you got stick balancing in!
PAlso the endstop seems to be working nice to
PI haven't tried the force trim yet, likely give it a go in msfs heli when I get the chance, you know after this whole christmas thing is done! lol
Phi there, @walmis , how are you?
Hey, a quick question/request: is there a way to force a re-write of the current firmware version?
Reason: was just flying DCS on the previous firmware version of Rhino. The game crashed during a plane crash, so there were joystick vibration effects. Anyway, after the game process got killed the joystick continued to vibrate.
- I powercycled it, still vibrations. Loaded default config, no dice, still vibrates.
- Rebooted the pc: still the same. Anyway, no matter how many times I cycled it, rebooted my PC, re-applied configs/resets: the vibration wouldn't go away.
- When launching Autocalibrate the vibration stops, allows me to calibrate and then stop it. As soon as I 'send/store' to the device the vibration comes back.
- In debug it showed different effects loaded, so I re-disable/re-enable, no matter which way I apply them the 'ghost' effects continue to work/show up in debug.
Now, I think you know where this is going : yup, to your website, luckily you had the new version up, I flashed Rhino and voila: all back to normal.
Soo... help a brotha out! 
Hey, a quick question/request: is there a way to force a re-write of the current firmware version?
Reason: was just flying DCS on the previous firmware version of Rhino. The game crashed during a plane crash, so there were joystick vibration effects. Anyway, after the game process got killed the joystick continued to vibrate.
- I powercycled it, still vibrations. Loaded default config, no dice, still vibrates.
- Rebooted the pc: still the same. Anyway, no matter how many times I cycled it, rebooted my PC, re-applied configs/resets: the vibration wouldn't go away.
- When launching Autocalibrate the vibration stops, allows me to calibrate and then stop it. As soon as I 'send/store' to the device the vibration comes back.
- In debug it showed different effects loaded, so I re-disable/re-enable, no matter which way I apply them the 'ghost' effects continue to work/show up in debug.
Now, I think you know where this is going
: yup, to your website, luckily you had the new version up, I flashed Rhino and voila: all back to normal. Soo...
help a brotha out! 
WHey, sorry I don't quite understand what's going on. Did it sort itself out? Could you post a screenshot of your configuration/debug screen?
WAhh, I think when DCS crashed it left the vibro effect still running, you can unplug/replug the Rhino USB to reset completely, the Estop switch only controls power to the motors.
Might be a good idea to add a software reset in the app in the future.
Might be a good idea to add a software reset in the app in the future.
KIs it long delivery times now? Ordered a base last week but its not shipped yet
AHey! According to the bot 28 Rhinos have been sent atm. Walmis is, I believe, currently ramping up production, but the queue is something like 200+ units long. Mine is 116, ordered in mid-October. Sooo, I'd expect 4-6 months-ish. You can DM the VPforceBot with !status and !info <your e-mail here> for more info.