I bet. I love that it's already extended to some extent. Will be good for helicopter maneuvers etc.

I bet. I love that it's already extended to some extent. Will be good for helicopter maneuvers etc. I hope itll support no centering, or that we can change cebterpoint/trim on the fly for simulators that's not otherwise supported

Kkeem85 I bet. I love that it's already extended to some extent. Will be good for helico...

PiNKSH!T•12/26/22, 2:42 PM

Already a thing m8! Force trim has worked perfectly for me in the dcs huey & Black Shark 2, msfs2020 dosen't support ffb natively but XPForce or other 3rd party software will give you ffb in msfs, I use XPForce atm & it's good, however it doesn't support force trim, Walmis has just updated the software/firmware for the RHINO base & you can now set force trim in the config software for the RHINO base, so for games that don't support force trim you can still do it through the software.

PiNKSH!T•12/26/22, 2:46 PM

Flying heli's in DCS has been so much better!, also the RHINO has a huge throw on it, I use a 200mm extension, but the software allows you to adjust the length of throw for the x & y axis & it auto-magically adjusts the calibration to fit, this is awesome for going from aircraft to aircraft that may have different throw, or even just to make it fit your pit size.

PPiNKSH!T Flying heli's in DCS has been so much better!, also the RHINO has a huge throw o...

Frenchy•12/26/22, 7:51 PM

Next step: a hook for DCS to automatically detect which aircraft you fly and adjust throw accordingly

PPiNKSH!T Flying heli's in DCS has been so much better!, also the RHINO has a huge throw o...

keem85OP•12/26/22, 8:37 PM

This is literally what I just asked some real pilots about. That was actually my next question.. 20cm extender would be too tall on my rig. I did some measurements, and I cannot use an extender, because the base will cover the whole height.. So I guess with VPforce I won't get as realistic throw as with a real cyclic.. But maybe the fact that it's a freaking force feedback base will weight up for the lack of throw

keem85OP•12/26/22, 8:39 PM

My current rig for reference.. It's 29cm from my wooden plate up to the pillow, exactly the same measurement as the VPforce base.

keem85OP•12/26/22, 8:40 PM

Could be a bit too short throw, I don't know

keem85OP•12/26/22, 8:41 PM

I have another question @walmis.. Does the 'octacon' shape of your grip-mount mean that I can angle my TM grip a bit? I can't see a way to unscrew the DIN-plug in order for this to be possible.

Wwalmis Ahh, I think when DCS crashed it left the vibro effect still running, you can un...

peachmonkey•12/26/22, 9:17 PM

yup, exactly. Ok, so one thing I didn't do was unplug it from the wall, will keep that in mind! Thank you!

Kkeem85 This is literally what I just asked some real pilots about. That was actually my...

PiNKSH!T•12/27/22, 3:25 AM

Wow that's a nice looking sim pit, looks very clean. I think you'll find that even without an extension the RHINO will likely have more throw than the typical Thrustmaster gimbal design or even a cam set like in a VKB or Virpil base.

PPiNKSH!T Wow that's a nice looking sim pit, looks very clean. I think you'll find that ev...

keem85OP•12/27/22, 3:37 AM

Thanks! And good to know

keem85OP•12/27/22, 3:39 AM

Got motion with all racing equipment, rudders, joysticks and everything. Can post a few pics on showcase

Jarmak•12/30/22, 3:11 PM

@walmis what does the new endstop power setting do? is that just an overall force setting

JJarmak @walmis what does the new endstop power setting do? is that just an overall forc...

walmis•12/30/22, 3:43 PM

Hey, it's the amount of motor torque it will push to get out of the endstop zone, think of it as a spring force in the endstop zone.

Wwalmis Hey, it's the amount of motor torque it will push to get out of the endstop zone...

Jarmak•12/30/22, 6:33 PM

Are there still plans to let us independently set the logical axis scaling? i.e. set the axis scaled to 60% and the endstop at 30%

Jarmak•12/30/22, 6:34 PM

DCS handles asymmetric throw by the upper end of the smaller axis not doing anything (e.g. for the hornet the stick is at full deflection when it's at 50% of it's logical axis, when you push it past that it doesn't actually do anything in the aircraft)

Magpie•12/31/22, 2:57 AM

I think it differs between modules
In the harrier for instance it uses the whole half of the axis but the stick in the cockpit moves far less

smitty•12/31/22, 6:34 AM

can someone post a snippet from their XPForce FS2020 Config.xpfc (don't post your license info!) where the axes are configured? when i try to change the axis definitions, the software hangs. I'm hoping i can just fill out the blanks below so it'll be set up already.

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=
RollAxis=
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=
RollAxis=
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=

JJarmak DCS handles asymmetric throw by the upper end of the smaller axis not doing anyt...

walmis•12/31/22, 11:12 AM

I think setting the endstop without setting axis scaling would hit the endstop at 50%, while reporting throw as 50% and DCS will register full throw in the hornet? I'll investigate further once I get back to my sim pit

Edit: On a second thought, Independent axis scaling sounds reasonable feature for advanced use cases. I'll revisit this.

Wwalmis I think setting the endstop without setting axis scaling would hit the endstop a...

Jarmak•12/31/22, 5:06 PM

It would but I use an extension so I'm using 60% for *full*

Edit: so I need to scale it to 60% and then set the Y+ to 50% of *that*

HHomeOfMomo Wow, that's a lot to digest. I did update AMD's chipset driver to the latest and...

ddrake1984•1/1/23, 10:51 PM

Did you end up with fixing this issue, I have the same problem with DCS crashing until I unplug the Rhino

ddrake1984•1/1/23, 11:22 PM

It crashes super quick with the viggen, but so far with the hind it doesn't

ddrake1984•1/1/23, 11:23 PM

it also crashes quickly with the mosquito

Dddrake1984 Did you end up with fixing this issue, I have the same problem with DCS crashing...

HomeOfMomo•1/2/23, 2:13 AM

Are your CPU and motherboard AMD based? If not, the underlying issue is not the same. My problem has to do with the USB controller inside AMD's chipset on the motherboard so it doesn't matter which DCS module is played. DCS freezes as long as FFB gets enabled. Thanks to @swiftvengeance, I purchased a PCIe USB card and its USB controller manages to communicate better with VPForce's USB endpoint. The problem has been completely gone since. At some point, I will write up a summary of what I have done so far to better inform @walmis and the community of this obscure problem and thank @walmis and @swiftvengeance for their help.

HHomeOfMomo Are your CPU and motherboard AMD based? If not, the underlying issue is not the ...

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:15 AM

I have AMD CPU and Graphics Card

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:16 AM

Does it happen in other games? Or just DCS? I am going to try IL-2

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:19 AM

Only the rhino causes this issue, I have used many other joysticks and it doesnt freeze dcs

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:20 AM

https://rog.asus.com/au/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi-model/

ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) | ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) |...

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:20 AM

This is my motherboard

Dddrake1984 Does it happen in other games? Or just DCS? I am going to try IL-2

HomeOfMomo•1/2/23, 2:36 AM

I have only DCS so I can't comment on other games. I believe not all AMD based motherboards exhibit this issue. For example, this problem shows up on my X570 motherboard but never on my son's B550. The quickest way to find out if it's USB related is to try walmis' little Python program -> 🧰support. It keeps sending "Interrupt OUT" commands to VPForce's endpoint. If the endpoint ever not responds in time, you'll see this pops out on the screen.

Ye Old Grog•1/2/23, 3:23 AM

The AMD USB controller, specifically the x570chipset, has been an issue with VR as well. It has been common to recommend a PCIE USB card for people having connectivity issues.

Just some additional information to keep in mind

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 3:33 AM

thanks @yeoldgrog

MLNL•1/3/23, 9:54 PM

Aargh, I have a ROG Crosshair VIII extreme. I'm using all M2 slots on the board so PCIE-2 is out of order

Does anybody have a idea how to add a stable usb controller?

HHomeOfMomo I have only DCS so I can't comment on other games. I believe not all AMD based m...

ddrake1984•1/3/23, 10:48 PM

I run the python script and it works, until it crashes in DCS

ddrake1984•1/3/23, 10:48 PM

and by crash, I mean the screen just dissapears

ddrake1984•1/3/23, 10:48 PM

however with the configurator program

ddrake1984•1/3/23, 10:48 PM

ddrake1984•1/3/23, 10:48 PM

is this the same issue @walmis ?

ddrake1984•1/3/23, 10:49 PM

I had to unplug USB to get DCS to respond again

MMLNL Aargh, I have a ROG Crosshair VIII extreme. I'm using all M2 slots on the board ...

HomeOfMomo•1/3/23, 11:37 PM

Did your X570 motherboard already exhibit the USB disconnect issue with the VPForce controller? Not all X570 boards present this problem unless you're unlucky like me. I think there is chip to chip variation with AMD's B550/X570 chipsets. I wouldn't recommend using an external USB hub since the hub most likely has a switchplexer chip instead of a totally different USB controller chip. Most PCIe USB cards only uses PCIe 3.0 slot. Do you not have this slot available?

MLNL•1/3/23, 11:49 PM

I've had weekly usb dropouts with my SFX100 system and it now occurs to me this could be the problem. I am now trying to start up Walmis his script to scan the usb ports but i'm a total noob with Python and Powershell. Nope all PCIE slots are out. It's a config problem with this board. You can only choose PCIE-1+M1+M2 or PCIE-1+2 and some variations . But my startup disk is M1 and thats just the one wich can't be missed.

MMLNL I've had weekly usb dropouts with my SFX100 system and it now occurs to me this ...

HomeOfMomo•1/4/23, 12:05 AM

Don't bother running Walmis' Python script if you don't have VPforce controller. The script first looks for VPforce controller and bombards the controller with USB packets unless you know how to modify for your SFX100.

HHomeOfMomo Don't bother running Walmis' Python script if you don't have VPforce controller....

MLNL•1/4/23, 12:14 AM

Àh, that saves me a lot of hassle

No I'm not that skilled @ this moment to mod a script to the sfx system.

HHomeOfMomo Did your X570 motherboard already exhibit the USB disconnect issue with the VPFo...

walmis•1/4/23, 7:52 AM

Hey, I'm thinking of mailiing a board to you with a different MCU. Maybe it's got something to do with USB controller hardware on the MCU itself. And I can't reproduce this locally

Wwalmis Hey, I'm thinking of mailiing a board to you with a different MCU. Maybe it's go...

HomeOfMomo•1/4/23, 8:52 AM

Do you mean a different MCU unit from the same vendor/model as what I have or different MCU by a completely different vendor? I haven't had any issues once I used a PCIe USB card to talk to the VPforce controller I have.

HHomeOfMomo Do you mean a different MCU unit from the same vendor/model as what I have or di...

walmis•1/4/23, 8:55 AM

Yeah, I have used different stm32f103 compatible chips, so maybe there are some nuances that don't play nice with AMD USB chipsets

walmis•1/4/23, 8:56 AM

One more thing to try is to increase the USB interrupt priority (in the firmware)

HomeOfMomo•1/4/23, 8:56 AM

I just don't want you to waste money sending me another VPforce controller if the problem is to do with AMD's chipset.

walmis•1/4/23, 8:57 AM

But I'm interested in narrowing it down, whether the issue is some specific MCU + AMD combination

Wwalmis One more thing to try is to increase the USB interrupt priority (in the firmware...

HomeOfMomo•1/4/23, 9:03 AM

I'm not familiar with the specific MCU on my VPforce controller board. Do you happen to know if this MCU has a register setting to increase the differential driving strength (usually in the form of increasing current)? Sometimes driving hard can increase signal to interference/noise ratio. If there is, you can build a custom firmware for me to test out for the sake of curiosity.

ddrake1984•1/4/23, 1:33 PM

even if the setting for driving strength is turned off completely, the crash still occurs

I bet. I love that it's already extended to some extent. Will be good for helicopter maneuvers etc.

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