Silk.NET•3y ago

Consoles are hell

RubyNovaDevOP•1/1/23, 6:09 PM

As someone who works with them on the regular

RubyNovaDevOP•1/1/23, 6:10 PM

Giga screm

RRubyNovaDev Consoles are hell

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:10 PM

so are most platforms to be fair, been dealing with linker bugs on msvc arm for 2 days now

RubyNovaDevOP•1/1/23, 6:10 PM

Anyways I must disappear once more

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:11 PM

cya

LLyris the Kitori so are most platforms to be fair, been dealing with linker bugs on msvc arm for ...

RubyNovaDevOP•1/1/23, 6:11 PM

I mean yes but desktop doesn't come with proprietary SDKs and custom versions of compilers and closed source graphics APIs that make me screech to the heavens

RubyNovaDevOP•1/1/23, 6:11 PM

Anyway yes seeya lol

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:13 PM

wonder how easy it would be to get it working on Xbox developer mode

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

I do have an Xbox and I can enable developer mode so I might steal it and try it out

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

the only way you can develop for Xbox without an NDA is UWP

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

ah really? damn

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

thus i'd imagine their NativeAOT fork will remain NDA

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

yeah

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

~~time to get it working with uwp~~

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

nah jk uwp is horrible

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

gl lmao

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

good luck with .NET Standard 2.0!

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

also iirc, Silk.NET bricks the compiler

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

or rather function pointers do

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

ah lol

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

we break a lot of the dotnet compilers to be fair

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

(though that may have been fixed in the recent .NET Native update)

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

i'd love to see il2cpp cowering and crying at a silk binary

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

I mean
I got silk running in .net aot fine?
unless that's not what you mean

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

that's not what i mean

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

the name of the .NET framework UWP runs is ".NET Native"

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

not to be confused with ".NET NativeAOT"

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

ah
why does everything have similar names

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

not to be confused with "good"

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:18 PM

the issue was .NET Native generated all the DllImport & P/Invoke code at compile time. in plaintext C# too, which was pretty cool.

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:18 PM

however when the compiler encountered a function pointer in a signature, it would generate invalid C#.

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:18 PM

same

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:19 PM

BUT i believe it's been fixed now because the developer of ComputeSharp is a function pointer addict and joined Microsoft on the Windows Store team, so i'd imagine he'd have screamed very loudly

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:19 PM

he's famous for abusing the &Unsafe.As<int, int>&Unsafe.As<int, int> trick

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:20 PM

reinterpret cast an int to an int? lol

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:20 PM

nonono

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:22 PM

ref T* AsPointerRef<T>(ref T thing) => ref ((delegate*<ref T, ref T*>)&Unsafe.As<int, int>)(ref thing);

ref T* AsPointerRef<T>(ref T thing) => ref ((delegate*<ref T, ref T*>)&Unsafe.As<int, int>)(ref thing);

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:22 PM

or something along those lines i don't quite remember

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:22 PM

that-

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:22 PM

god, why?

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:22 PM

because you can't have pointers as generic arguments

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:23 PM

why not

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:23 PM

i swear you could

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:23 PM

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Aqua•1/1/23, 6:23 PM

ohh generic type arguments
right

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:23 PM

i know you cant

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:23 PM

but why

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:24 PM

idk tbh

Perksey•1/1/23, 6:24 PM

they got it working in the last lowlevel hackathon that they did at Microsoft DDJL

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:25 PM

i need to learn more about this stuff
didnt know c# could do whatever the fuck that is

Consoles are hell

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