Silk.NET•3y ago

silk doesn't even have online docs

HanprogramerOP•1/12/23, 12:13 PM

use intellisense

HHanprogramer silk doesn't even have online docs

Lyris the Kitori•1/12/23, 12:13 PM

we are talking about C APIs silk binds to

HanprogramerOP•1/12/23, 12:13 PM

ohhhh

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:14 PM

all the people asking for an online API reference don't know what they're asking for - it'd be terrible with the amount of functions/overloads we have

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:14 PM

"ah yes i want an entire page dedicated to just D2D1GetGradientMeshInteriorPointsFromCoonsPatch"

HanprogramerOP•1/12/23, 12:15 PM

yeah

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:15 PM

i did start working on one fwiw, but it was extremely buggy

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:15 PM

but yeah 3.0 will be a lot easier to document

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:15 PM

you have no idea how needed 3.0 is

HanprogramerOP•1/12/23, 12:18 PM

what's the biggest feature we should be excited about on 3.0?

Lyris the Kitori•1/12/23, 12:19 PM

HanprogramerOP•1/12/23, 12:19 PM

i c

HanprogramerOP•1/12/23, 12:20 PM

wait is there a roadmap or something for 3.0?

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:21 PM

i mean there technically is in the proposals folder

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:23 PM

basically 3.0:

is a complete rewrite of the entire library
rewrites windowing to be truly write-once-run-everywhere
rewrites input to have multiple backends, for the eventual VR backend I want to add
rewrites the bindings generator to be more maintainable, accurate, and usable outside of Silk.NET
redesigns how we make our bindings "silky" i.e. using magic structures instead of hundreds of overloads per function

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:23 PM

this means that provided you know OpenGL already you can just read one document describing how the magic structs work and instantly know how to use Silk.NET

Perksey•1/12/23, 12:24 PM

or at least that's my headcanon thus far

HanprogramerOP•1/12/23, 12:27 PM

i see, i just checked the github project page as well and noticed a lot about SilkTouch, plus i just read more about it on the blog posts, it sounds really cool and i hope more people use silk.net

flyke•1/12/23, 1:32 PM

For Rest API I work with Swagger, it automaticaly generates docs for thunreds of endpoins, its sad such good thigs doesnt exist in low level niches.

GamerSocke•1/12/23, 2:38 PM

Would it be possible to parse the comments at least for Vulkan from the vk.xml?https://raw.githubusercontent.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Headers/00671c64ba5c488ade22ad572a0ef81d5e64c803/registry/vk.xml
I don't know if there are equivalent files for the over libraries.

GGamerSocke Would it be possible to parse the comments at least for Vulkan from the vk.xml?h...

Perksey•1/12/23, 2:56 PM

the comments aren't really useful and aren't consistently applied

Perksey•1/12/23, 2:57 PM

basically the strategy for 3.0 will be:

For OpenGL, use the ref pages
For Vulkan/OpenXR, use the official specs
For Microsoft's libraries, https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/win32
For everything else, try to salvage something from the comments Clang picks up if possible

Igorko•1/13/23, 4:35 PM

Hello everyone. I have recently discovered Silk.NET and decided to check it out. I'm using Fedora 36 and I have installed .NET manually from here https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
I am currently trying to sharpen my C# skills by making a game that would run on at least windows, linux and android. So far, building and running Hello Window tutorial on linux worked like a charm (and i would imagine running it on windows shouldn't be a problem either), however there are a few oddities when it comes to android.

Microsoft

Download .NET 6.0 (Linux, macOS, and Windows)

.NET 6.0 downloads for Linux, macOS, and Windows. .NET is a free, cross-platform, open-source developer platform for building many different types of applications.

Igorko•1/13/23, 4:35 PM

Running 'dotnet build' after setting up everything on AndroidDemo project produces an apk without assemblies, which causes an app to crash on startup:

Igorko•1/13/23, 4:36 PM

So far, I've resolved this by adding <EmbedAssembliesIntoApk>true</EmbedAssembliesIntoApk> into csproj file, but it bloats the apk size to 94 megabytes. It doesn't fix the crashes, however.

Igorko•1/13/23, 4:36 PM

For some reason, it needs BLUETOOTH_CONNECT permission? Adding <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.BLUETOOTH_CONNECT" /> to AndroidManifest.xml and then manually enabling it in the settings on my phone resolved the crashes and made the app run properly. But why? And also, how can i resolve missing assemblies error without bloating the app size?

Igorko•1/13/23, 4:36 PM

Please keep in mind that I've never used dotnet without visual studio before and that I'm fairly new when it comes to crossplatform C# development in general, thanks c:

Igorko•1/13/23, 4:37 PM

Also keep in mind that I've slightly modified the AndroidDemo project. I've included the archive bellow, just in case, but my changes only consist of adding a few lines to csproj and android manifests, and replacing Silk.NET project references with package references from nuget.

Igorko•1/13/23, 4:37 PM

AndroidDemo.tar.gz67.73KB

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:33 PM

that's concerning

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:33 PM

can you try getting a plain net7 android app working first

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:34 PM

also packaging native libs changed, so if the silk android demo is old then you're pretty screwed

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:37 PM

i think we use whatever we used on xamarin

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:37 PM

which should still work

IIgorko For some reason, it needs BLUETOOTH_CONNECT permission? Adding <uses-permission ...

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:38 PM

both of these issues you can't resolve really, you can attempt to reduce the size issue by enabling linking but fundamentally you kinda need assemblies to run a .NET application!

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:38 PM

as for the bluetooth thing i have no idea why SDL needs it but it does

PPerksey i think we use whatever we used on xamarin

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:43 PM

putting them in an undocumented folder in the nuget ain't working anymore chief

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:44 PM

you need to put them into a different path, compressed into an android bundle, and mark them to be imported

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:44 PM

luckily android bundles are literally just zips so you can create them easily

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:45 PM

this changed in the middle of net6 some good time ago

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:45 PM

yeah no we don't do that

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:45 PM

we have explicit msbuild targets just as we did with xamarin

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:45 PM

well, the way i described is the recommended solution now

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:46 PM

and anything i tried to use in net6+ for android was broken

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:46 PM

i honestly don't understand why nuget is so moronic when it comes to native libs

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:47 PM

oh nvm that's what we do with ios

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:47 PM

on android we just have a .aar next to the .dll

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:47 PM

yeah ios stayed the same i think

PPerksey on android we just have a .aar next to the .dll

TechPizza•1/13/23, 5:48 PM

yup, that's the bundle bs

Perksey•1/13/23, 5:48 PM

our ios solution is so chaotic

silk doesn't even have online docs

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