i plan for spacebox to release on xbox so soon enough i will start looking into this myself although

i plan for spacebox to release on xbox so soon enough i will start looking into this myself
although i will admit using C++ for the game has been in the back of my mind for a while, I just can't be bothered to spend months porting my engine and then fiddling around with mono to try and get it to load c# assemblies so i can support modding

ZZaBlazzingZephyrus I'm not even sure I can legally sign NDAs tbf

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:15 PM

But I'll see bout that

AAqua i plan for spacebox to release on xbox so soon enough i will start looking into ...

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:16 PM

Tbh I think C# is pretty good for gaming

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:16 PM

It's performant enough and it's really friendly

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:17 PM

I hope eventually more games start to be made using C# libraries and engines (not just Unity)

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:17 PM

it's pretty decent for games.
ironically though it is so portable its not portable enough for my usecase

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:17 PM

huh

flyke•1/16/23, 3:36 PM

Unity used because it is simple, and solo dev can finish project. Making that all from scratch will take up to 10 years, like that guy on youtube, made simple farm game on java. The first videos are 7 years ago

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:38 PM

True but idk

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:39 PM

From personal experience Unity is really uncomfortable to work with

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:39 PM

At least for me

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:39 PM

And I'm finishing a small project in it rn

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:40 PM

making a completely general purpose game engine will take years for a single person, heck, it takes years for teams.
i am going down that path myself but not so much that i am going crazy over it. my engine can handle what i need and nothing more. that's when the development time speeds up. after i've implemented all the bits i need then i'll worry about implementing the "general purpose" bits

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:42 PM

a fair amount of development time can also be attributed to making the editor for the engine. the solution here is to not bother with making a general purpose editor, you can live without it.
just make what you need and nothing more

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:43 PM

Pretty sure with stuff like Silk and the rest of tools making an engine you're comfortable with doesn't take too much time

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:43 PM

Which is a bless

flyke•1/16/23, 3:47 PM

The main problem, where to find person who will pay you for time spent on hobbie

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:47 PM

No one will spend money on your hobby

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:48 PM

Unless it's a devoted fan but software engineers don't usually have those unfortunately

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:48 PM

(Sorry but it's true that software engineers don't get too much donations like gamedevs, artists and etc.)

Fflyke The main problem, where to find person who will pay you for time spent on hobbie...

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:50 PM

I might be wrong but tbh I have a feeling that it's easier with that kind of stuff on the West

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:50 PM

Probably a delusion so might as well get the opinion of someone who lives there atm

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:50 PM

By the West I mean NA or Western Europe btw

flyke•1/16/23, 3:52 PM

Yes, so people have boring job, and can actually work on own games 2 hours on weekends

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:52 PM

Some people study

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:52 PM

And still barely have any time

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:52 PM

flyke•1/16/23, 3:57 PM

Same for “it” job, when I have a deadline I literaly sit 24 hours just to meet timeline

actually it happens every week

. But Im working at home, not so stressful as in office.

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:58 PM

Oh so you do have a job

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:58 PM

Is it overly stressful?

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 4:03 PM

Ahh nvm sorry for too many questions

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 4:03 PM

You don't have to answer

ZZaBlazzingZephyrus Is it overly stressful?

flyke•1/16/23, 4:06 PM

The most - to find one

Half a year I had job interviews, answer “tech theory” questions, and no effect.
One day, some person wrote me directly without CV, asked couple of simple questions, and said - ok, when you could start?

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 4:09 PM

Damn

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 4:09 PM

Life sure is weird

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 4:10 PM

But I'm glad you found a job

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:49 PM

I made the grave mistake of trying to learn vulkan

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:49 PM

Please send help

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:50 PM

I'm a thousand lines in and I don't even have a working graphics pipeline yet

Fflyke I just remember how I studied Win32API, where you write 50 lines of horible code...

Redhacker2•1/16/23, 7:51 PM

mhm

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:54 PM

Has anyone here tried compiling GLSL to SPIR-V at runtime to emulate the OpenGL way of setting up shaders?

AquaOP•1/16/23, 7:54 PM

yep, i do that in my abstraction layer

AquaOP•1/16/23, 7:54 PM

its pretty simple

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:55 PM

I'm having trouble just... finding native libraries

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:55 PM

I wish more things worked the way Silk itself does where you just install the NuGet package and are done with it

AquaOP•1/16/23, 7:55 PM

https://www.nuget.org/packages/Spirzza.Interop.Shaderc this is techpizza's library, i use it and it works very well. can recommend

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:56 PM

I'll give it a try

AquaOP•1/16/23, 7:57 PM

you won't need spirv-cross unless you wish to recompile the spirv back to hlsl or whatever

AquaOP•1/16/23, 7:57 PM

only shaderc

ritchie ❤•1/16/23, 7:57 PM

Was using shaderc.netshaderc.net but it doesn't ship native libraries

AquaOP•1/16/23, 7:57 PM

fairly sure spirzza does

i plan for spacebox to release on xbox so soon enough i will start looking into this myself although

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